Starforce Petition!

[Typhoon1000]

I own X2, but swear I will never ever buy another SF protected Game.

[RazzZoom]

X3 is the same its stuffed with errors because of starforce crap!!
I myself am sick of these companys!

They've all entered themselves into shamefull Useless Mechanics Guild

A further bla bla bla!

What really happens when you go to buy a game today!
A person enters a store to buy a game!
there's a smile on his face!
he gets pushed to the wall! frisked! from top to bottom!
he's told to strip down!
they empty all his pockets!
they search his house and go through his accounts!
salesmen says! SIR! WE DONT TRUST YOU!
he snatch's his card or takes all his Cash ..
Salesmen:thankyou! have a nice day!
he finally gets home
installs the game!
the load screen Appears SIR! WE DONT TRUST YOU!
he gets stripped searched over and over, raped and pilaged! as he trys to play!
he spends hours and hours updating and patching!
constanly he is hit and bashed! and raped even more!
4 hrs have past! hes exhausted, tired and distressed!
the game was never going to work!
he goes back to the shop! hit! smacked and punched!
he enters the shop brused and battered!
he gets frisked! from top to bottom!
he's told to strip down!
they empty all his pockets!
they search his house!
salesmen says! SIR! WE DONT TRUST YOU!
salesmen with a smile: i'm sorry sir but there's no refund at all!
he leaves the shop!
he gets followed along the way, pushed and kicked!
he takes the disc and throws it in the street!
deadly silence! he walks in peace!


lol bla bla bitch lol )

[caki]

Originally Posted by RazzZoom

X3 is the same its stuffed with errors because of starforce crap!!
I myself am sick of these companys!

They've all entered themselves into shamefull Useless Mechanics Guild

A further bla bla bla!

What really happens when you go to buy a game today!
A person enters a store to buy a game!
there's a smile on his face!
he gets pushed to the wall! frisked! from top to bottom!
he's told to strip down!
they empty all his pockets!
they search his house and go through his accounts!
salesmen says! SIR! WE DONT TRUST YOU!
he snatch's his card or takes all his Cash ..
Salesmen:thankyou! have a nice day!
he finally gets home
installs the game!
the load screen Appears SIR! WE DONT TRUST YOU!
he gets stripped searched over and over, raped and pilaged! as he trys to play!
he spends hours and hours updating and patching!
constanly he is hit and bashed! and raped even more!
4 hrs have past! hes exhausted, tired and distressed!
the game was never going to work!
he goes back to the shop! hit! smacked and punched!
he enters the shop brused and battered!
he gets frisked! from top to bottom!
he's told to strip down!
they empty all his pockets!
they search his house!
salesmen says! SIR! WE DONT TRUST YOU!
salesmen with a smile: i'm sorry sir but there's no refund at all!
he leaves the shop!
he gets followed along the way, pushed and kicked!
he takes the disc and throws it in the street!
deadly silence! he walks in peace!


lol bla bla bitch lol )

Permission to quote you? With better grammar and spelling ofc.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

As long as people don't discuss warez on this forum, noone has the right to - directly or indirectly - question the legality of their games. That's the reversal of forum rule #1 so, please, refrain from such comments.

Not Really Joe, it is a genuine question.


Trying to figure out who has the most problems, legitimate users or warez kiddies.


That would kinda show how bad SF is or isnt.

[DUKE_NUKEM]

Dabhand I guess you don't really get it. The point is Starforce should cause NO problems to legitimate users, as this comes BEFORE causing problems to warez kiddies. I don't think people who are used to d'load gamez would buy SF-protected games as they can't play with warez versions; on the other hand, a lot of honest players just stopped buying them. You can verify it by yourself, the solution is worse then the problem itself.

[Sirrus]

Why they additionaly don't search our chatlogs, mails, posts of our forum accounts, even our google search strings with the application of SF?!?!?

I want it! Scan me you bas**rds!

[revolver]

IT shouldnt be a problem to anyone be it they own an original or warez

the simple fact is starforce is f**ked it's is an intrusion of your pc as it doesnt ask permission to install it just does it and also only people who
wish to play without dvd or cd will have problems

so it not whether its a warez or orginal thats the problem its those of us who want to play without a dvd or cd that have problems which is nearly everone on this forum

[DABhand]

This is the problem you are all mostly going on with what someone else said.

Also what most people dont realise is not all PC's are the same. SF could have errors due to certain motherboards, drivers, hardware and other software.


Doesnt matter what game or protection is out there, people will always and I mean always have problems.


DUKE_NUKEM: No you dont get it, like I just said, no protection will work 100% on everyones machine, what im trying to acertain is what is the main problem to people with SF.

Im assuming that SF has a built in preservation API, that when detected that an original disc is not in use, it starts problems.


What I have said before also is, why dont people contact SF support for help with some games they cant seem to run, I did it for one SF protected game and they were glad to give me another executable which worked perfect. But they do need legitimate game details, which is why I think the vast majority of people who moan about SF is because they cant play their downloaded game and cant contact support for help cause they dont have legitimate details.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by revolver

IT shouldnt be a problem to anyone be it they own an original or warez

the simple fact is starforce is f**ked it's is an intrusion of your pc as it doesnt ask permission to install it just does it and also only people who
wish to play without dvd or cd will have problems

so it not whether its a warez or orginal thats the problem its those of us who want to play without a dvd or cd that have problems which is nearly everone on this forum

No protection asks, as ive also said before the protection comes with the game, and you agreed to game being installed.


You show me a game where it asked you if you wished to install the protection?

[DUKE_NUKEM]

Dabhand I've never heard of protections compromising the stablity of the OS or even destroying hardware components; the assumption that no protection works with every pc configuration is simply ridiculous, if starforce programmers knew what they are doing they would have imposed to put warnings on packages about compatibility issues.
Remember, I spend money buying games, so I have the right to just put the disc in and play, without the risk of damaging my hardware. Publishers who use SF are losing (mind?) customers after customers and the result is that NOBODY, neither legit nor warez users, will buy their games anymore. Sorry, man, but I don't have time to waste after games, just a little time to play; as a consequence I don't want to spend my days formatting and reinstalling every time I change game.
Just the last thing: SF support is not GLAD to help you, it is OBLIGED to help you cause you are just one of them who have the patience (time to waste?) to try all possibilities to make a game work; I just don't have it: shame on me.
But SF programmers are just bastards, like warez kiddies they claim to fight again.

[Muji-FightR]

@ Dab Hand (which i guess is the real meaning ?)

If you talk about a new executable, do you talk about an executable without copy protection or just a fixed one?
but i wonder
a) why you wouldnt upload it, guess you would do that
and b) why this didnt come with a patch for the game (whatever this might be)

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by muJi.fiGHt3r

@ Dab Hand (which i guess is the real meaning ?)

If you talk about a new executable, do you talk about an executable without copy protection or just a fixed one?
but i wonder
a) why you wouldnt upload it, guess you would do that
and b) why this didnt come with a patch for the game (whatever this might be)

Protection was still intact, but I got to play my game which is the main point

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by DUKE_NUKEM

Dabhand I've never heard of protections compromising the stablity of the OS or even destroying hardware components; the assumption that no protection works with every pc configuration is simply ridiculous, if starforce programmers knew what they are doing they would have imposed to put warnings on packages about compatibility issues.
Remember, I spend money buying games, so I have the right to just put the disc in and play, without the risk of damaging my hardware. Publishers who use SF are losing (mind?) customers after customers and the result is that NOBODY, neither legit nor warez users, will buy their games anymore. Sorry, man, but I don't have time to waste after games, just a little time to play; as a consequence I don't want to spend my days formatting and reinstalling every time I change game.
Just the last thing: SF support is not GLAD to help you, it is OBLIGED to help you cause you are just one of them who have the patience (time to waste?) to try all possibilities to make a game work; I just don't have it: shame on me.
But SF programmers are just bastards, like warez kiddies they claim to fight again.

They do put up warnings in amongst the EULA, which unfortunately most people wont read.

And no I dont have time, I have a business to run


Thing is was all these people who lost drives had new ones that were lost? I know some had that problem. But SF does use the discs heavily to read the topography of a disc, if a drive had problems it could be due to that and while its checking the disc the drive could give up the ghost.

In a way you could say SF benchmark the discs somewhat.


Again, no one company can test their protection on every possible scenario. You could have a PC with a certain piece of software which is harmless but affects SF, if the SF team knew about that piece of software then they probably would have found a fix for it during testing, but if they dont know they cant really forsee the future.

Its the same with all software, no one company can test their product 100% fully. Its practically impossible.

[Joe Forster/STA]

If software is buggy by its nature then why add even more, "redundant" software (i.e. the copy protection) to it, when that "redundant" software is known to be based on undocumented or, for other reasons, not completely reliable system functions or heuristics and, therefore, is also known to cause even more problems? (I think I'm counter-proving your statement with your own arguments...)

[DUKE_NUKEM]

Easy to place a thousand warnings in the EULA, when the user have already thrown his money away. Too easy.
Thieves. That's what they are. Just like warez kiddies.
And, of course no, they can't check every possible configuration. But their "heavy disc checking" seems to be harmful to ALL drives, either they are in good health or not.
I wish I could see a package with the warning "The heavy disc checking necessary to start this game could potentially damage your CD\DVD drive. The drivers contained in this software could be unpossible to remove and cause problems to your OS. Remember to format afte playing and possibly to buy a new drive". But I still can't see anything of this. So, who is stealing now?!?