Daemon Tools 4 Customer

[!HaGaR!]

Well...

Just some thoughts about DT4 from a valid customer...


Yes, it took quite a long time since the new release came out to us. Hundreds of people are cryin´ to get the thingy released. Now it is here. And again the same people are cryin´ again... Because THIS version isn´t able to start their pirated copies by just one single idiot-secure click...

Let me point out that I am VERY pissed off by those guys.
DT4 is crap? No Way! This release and the earlier versions saved me so much time and fiddling with discs. It makes life so much easier. Without paying any single cent at the developers.

For a while ago I decided to get the supporter/customer level to DT. I paid the little amount of less than 14 € to them. Quite a good deal, isn´t it?
Coz you will get the new pro-release for free when it comes out. (And even the cutomer-version of DT4 is without any adware!).

BUT! Even those few euros are too much for some of this warez-kiddies. Minutes after the customer-release of DT4 it has been shipped to p2p/donkey and bittorrent sites. And all the "need-no-DVD-so-badly"-kiddies here shared it as fast as possible. (Read the posts about DT4 here at the fileforums. Some users wonder why they found no adware in their dt4... Guess why!). Hours later the normal DT 4 has been released with adware in it, sure. But with a single-click you can decide to not install it. But what do people do, even with software they get for free? Yeah, they say it sucks, because it isn´t able to emulate all the protections for the dumbass softwarestealers out there.

So, because of the leak it will take a few more weeks for the real daemon tools pro version to appear. With all the features in it all the cryin´ babies in here want so badly. And I hope the serial-system that will come with the pro will be as hard to crack as starforce has been.
Why? Because without the leaked DT4Customer-Version the Pro-Version had a chance to appear WITHOUT the serial-system. But now it won´t. And am I happy with this. Because the real ASSKICKING features will only be available for the valid customers.

Signed by Hägar - who buys/support software that is worth buying!

[Muji-FightR]

a) everyone expected such great program being able to emulate SF3
-> it isnt the program that I and many others expected, but thats no reason to say
"Its for free so it may be whatever crap, i love it because its free" , thats just senseless
b) i dont really know if the pro version will really support all the features they said, like SF3, super antiblacklisting, blabla. i guess it will only be a version that is capable of creating images and with a nice klickiklickibunti kiddiehaxxor GUI with sweet green and blue aqua buttons...

just my oppinion, im really pissed because of this crap program, its just useless for me to install? i can also take the good old 3.47, this does at least have a german language pack

hope they post-release a version that can do what DT4 can not

[!HaGaR!]

Sure, u can still use DT 3.47... Nobody told you to install DT 4. You decide by yourself...

[DUKE_NUKEM]

!HaGar! I agree with you when you say that DT4 are just a sort of preview of what "real" DT4 (PRO) will do, but the fact remains that today this rog. doesn't work as it should, as it has no IDE jammer, it is unuseful if also alcohol is installed and, again it doesn't work for anyone or any game.
You can surely say that we are only stupid warez-kiddies and noobs, but a prog which can be used succesfully only by few "masters" and in certain condition isn't that big progress that we all expected.

[hyakkii]

Originally Posted by !HaGaR!

Well...

Just some thoughts about DT4 from a valid customer...


Yes, it took quite a long time since the new release came out to us. Hundreds of people are cryin´ to get the thingy released. Now it is here. And again the same people are cryin´ again... Because THIS version isn´t able to start their pirated copies by just one single idiot-secure click...

Let me point out that I am VERY pissed off by those guys.
DT4 is crap? No Way! This release and the earlier versions saved me so much time and fiddling with discs. It makes life so much easier. Without paying any single cent at the developers.

For a while ago I decided to get the supporter/customer level to DT. I paid the little amount of less than 14 € to them. Quite a good deal, isn´t it?
Coz you will get the new pro-release for free when it comes out. (And even the cutomer-version of DT4 is without any adware!).

BUT! Even those few euros are too much for some of this warez-kiddies. Minutes after the customer-release of DT4 it has been shipped to p2p/donkey and bittorrent sites. And all the "need-no-DVD-so-badly"-kiddies here shared it as fast as possible. (Read the posts about DT4 here at the fileforums. Some users wonder why they found no adware in their dt4... Guess why!). Hours later the normal DT 4 has been released with adware in it, sure. But with a single-click you can decide to not install it. But what do people do, even with software they get for free? Yeah, they say it sucks, because it isn´t able to emulate all the protections for the dumbass softwarestealers out there.

So, because of the leak it will take a few more weeks for the real daemon tools pro version to appear. With all the features in it all the cryin´ babies in here want so badly. And I hope the serial-system that will come with the pro will be as hard to crack as starforce has been.
Why? Because without the leaked DT4Customer-Version the Pro-Version had a chance to appear WITHOUT the serial-system. But now it won´t. And am I happy with this. Because the real ASSKICKING features will only be available for the valid customers.

Signed by Hägar - who buys/support software that is worth buying!

You are wrong i have been using daemon tools since it first came out (before daemon was FCD images ), anyhow I agree daemon is a great program it has many legal uses how ever to make the program cost money is up to the developer if things were your way there would be no open source everything would be a patient / copyright and greedy corporations.

Daemon tools 4 is almost the same as 3.47 that haven't really changed much for how long its been in development, the release of 4.0 was incomplete half of the promised features where incomplete or missing. Thats ok by me if its free (they can take as long as they need to develop it) but if i was paying for something like that i would be pissed.

as for the adware i will support that since they did include a option to disable it and/or uninstall it.
I would rather use the donate button instade

If people could read this 4.0 release was just a jump forward to stop current blacklists since they were getting out of hand, its still very incomplete.

here is a quote from daemon
_________________
Again: This version is an "in between" step to fix latest issues not only
with protections but also many other issues and installation-problems.
We work hard to release soon next update!
_________________

[caki]

I'm not complaining. Its free. Take what you get and shut the **** up. Its free for christssake! Free. I dont complain about anything thats free. You have a chance to use it, use it.. The authors arent getting anything, so why the **** would they care if it doesnt work? Im just happy that daemon tools exists.

As for the Pro version, maybe I will buy it. Right now, I have no need for it since I have no SF games. I avoid buying them....

[TippeX]

i paid for it too and am severely disappointed ..heres why

1. no 64 bit support, even though it was promised
2. no virtual ide driver, even though it was promised (and boasted about over a year ago on their site..)
3. its more or less the same as the 3.47 version with different gui, same **** in a new box basically
4. some people have success running games by unplugging the ide devices in their system.. hardly what i would call a revolutionary thing
5. sure it may get round some blacklisting, simply because its a new driver and so on and has not been blacklisted (the protection people dont have time machines)

[caki]

Originally Posted by TippeX

i paid for it too and am severely disappointed ..heres why

1. no 64 bit support, even though it was promised
2. no virtual ide driver, even though it was promised (and boasted about over a year ago on their site..)
3. its more or less the same as the 3.47 version with different gui, same **** in a new box basically
4. some people have success running games by unplugging the ide devices in their system.. hardly what i would call a revolutionary thing
5. sure it may get round some blacklisting, simply because its a new driver and so on and has not been blacklisted (the protection people dont have time machines)

Well if you paid thats a different matter... I would pe pissed. Its sad, this is a half baked release, and they stated that they wouldnt be making any of those

[DABhand]

Bear in mind, the version out just now is ironing out bugs..


See you cant win.


1. They all complain and moan and want a version out, locutus says no let me work out bugs etc. But no still the complain and moan

2. DT4 is released in lite format so the bigger bugs arent present, and what do people do, complain and moan, he warned them about releasing it too early but no you all wanted it, now you got it, you all moan again. Its like a world full of teenage girls.

3. The pro version when released fully will have better support, Tippex you should know that is not the final version of DT4, it doesnt have 64bit support yet! Yet being a key word, be patient buddy

[prollfin]

I don't think you can blame it on anyone but the developers. Who decides when and what to release? No one can tell me that the dev's were forced by those folks to release something that's probably better than the last release, but... erhm... BUT not what they announced. Look at the release notes. Almost anything that is new from 3.47 is either not complete or not even implemented at all.
So, I'm not really happy about this release and I do understand everyone else who isn't, no matter if paying customer or not.
Yes, this release is half-baked. So I ask myself: "why was ist at all released?" If all that stuff that we were waiting for is coming shortly, there wouldn't have been any need for this release.
But because of this release, there's a lot of space for speculations. If you were part of a team of software developers and had a revolutionary new version almost done, and your software was mainly freeware but you had a handful of people supporting it, would you release a half-baked version just because everyone is saying "release it, release it!", especially if this release wouldn't make any difference to those people who didn't pay for it BUT piss of your paying customers? I wouldn't do that, that's sure!

Again, I do like DT4! It's free and useful.

Some people called the 4.00 release "vaporware". And I think in some way, they are right. 64bit support for example. Last weekend, one of the developers wrote in the official forums (just two days or something before the release) that 64bit support will be included. He also wrote that DT4 was not going to be released on monday. As we all know, it was released on monday and without 64bit support. If you have a look at those forums now, you will see that admins are writing "it's coming in a few days". Again: WHY IS THAT?

The was no pressure, no publisher, no financial aspects. Only those you try to blame. So if the DT team gives in to them, it's only the DT team's fault. They would have had all the time in the world to make DT better. I mean, when did the final beta start? Like end of last week? When was ist released? This monday? Could that have something to to with the fact that it's working only for a few people AND no one has a clue why it's not working for others?

You know, I myself had been thinking about getting a pro license for some weeks. But know, I'm afraid that, as muJi.fiGHt3r pointed out, I would only get a standard DT4 with some useless blow-up features.

I know, it's getting repetitive, but think about it again: why the hell should you cause all this trouble (pissed customers, loss of future customers like me) if you got the final version almost done and it's just some days or weeks to the release?
If there's anyone here who still doens't understand me (all others, stop reading now ):

In my opinion, the only explanation for this behaviour ist that there IS no "real" DT4 coming shortly. All those longed-for features are NOT to be finished soon.
Still, of course I apreciate the new version. I didn't pay for it. And as you might found out by reading my post, I'm very happy about not having payed for it!

And EDIT (as I just read DABhand's reply):

I never ever cried or moaned for anything! I never signed the forums asking "will it be out this week?" or "please release asap" And again: even if many people do, it's no excuse!

[Grumpy]

Its like a world full of teenage girls.

Oooh what a wonderful world it would be!

[caki]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Oooh what a wonderful world it would be!

Depends on how old you are. If you are around my age: W00000000000000000T!!!!

Else: Shame on you, you pedophile :P

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by prollfin

I don't think you can blame it on anyone but the developers. Who decides when and what to release? No one can tell me that the dev's were forced by those folks to release something that's probably better than the last release, but... erhm... BUT not what they announced. Look at the release notes. Almost anything that is new from 3.47 is either not complete or not even implemented at all.

And EDIT (as I just read DABhand's reply):

I never ever cried or moaned for anything! I never signed the forums asking "will it be out this week?" or "please release asap" And again: even if many people do, it's no excuse!

1. You can blame others, how would you feel coming online to talk to people on your forum, and all you get in your email and forum is "When is DT4 coming out, when is DT4 coming out, Can I try the beta I wont tell anyone, I will sell you my mother, please send me DT4, Hurry I need it"

2. There is more to DT4 just now which cosmetically you wouldnt have noticed, but ive noticed a few stuff, improved virtual engine, better protection support to name but a few.

3. I never said you cried, im talking about in general with everyone. But you are complaining, like you are now. Bear in mind its free, so if it doesnt work out for you then dont use it, just dont complain about it, it wont change anything :P

[prollfin]

I'm not complaining! I just said that releasing it as-is was a MAJOR mistake. Don't want to repeat it all.

[DABhand]

Complaining isnt a negative thing, but you did complain it was released too early, and I agree on that part.

But look at it from their point of view, for a bit of peace and quiet, I woulda done the same just to shut up the moaners and have a relatively quiet email and PM inbox :P