PS2 Game Backups.....The perfect backup?

[oZER0o]

I've noticed that some of my backups behave slightly different to my originals. for instance, Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons Of Liberty, I dumped an ISO image with DVD Decrypter, then burned it with DVD Decrypter at 1x speed. but in the codec, the words take longer to load up, and pretty much everything takes longer to load, not that much though. did i rip the image too fast, or is this a universal trait of backups?

my backup of MGS3 snake eater seems flawless, everything loads up fast, just as fast as the original. and then on the other side of the coin, my backup of Second Sight, has load times that you could die of old age through.

I do realise that if i loaded them onto a HDD, i probably wouldnt have any of these problems. my trouble with that is, i have alot of stuff on my HDD, and i need somewhere to store it temporarily, because the PS2 has to reformat the drive, or so I'm told.

I know it could be my media, but I'm using Ridata DVD-R's with Ritek G05 dye.

oh, 1 more question. if i dump an image from a backup that has slightly slow loading ties, but still works, if i burn that onto better media or put it on the HDD, will it behave like the original, or will it be slightly changed? i would have thought its all the same data, so no, but I can't be sure.

[lufcfan]

Nothing is better than an original disc - but using a really good quality DVD-R is the key to making about as close to a perfect backup as you can get.

Good DVD-R include the following:
Ritek G04 (G05 tend to be a bit crappy)
Taiyo Yuden
Verbatim DataLife PLUS (standard DataLife suck ass! )

Also, today's modern disc dyes are made to perform better and be much more reliable when burned at their maximum write speed, and therefore slower burns on newer high speed media can cause problems. Burning slower is a bit of a mis-conception which is still with us from when recordable DVD media was in its infancy. Back then, it was true to burn slower, but nowadays it causes more problems by doing this.

[oZER0o]

oh....so I should burn at 8x ?? 4x maybe?

I'll remember to get some of the media you just listed next time I get blank DVD's. too bad i got 50 of thum lol.

so will using a harddrive solve all those problems?? and if i dumped an image from one of the discs that was a little slow, would that be the same as its original image ?

[lufcfan]

no - if you put the slow discs onto the HDD, they'd play as an original had been loaded onto the HDD. Basically, you have the same data on both the copy and the original, but as the dye isn't as reflective as on the original, it is slower to come off the disc as the laser has to work harder to retrieve the data. So, you won't notice any difference between putting the original or the copy on the HDD.

Basically, in short, loading your slow backup onto the HDD will cure the problems with it being slower.

[oZER0o]

Originally Posted by lufcfan

no - if you put the slow discs onto the HDD, they'd play as an original had been loaded onto the HDD. Basically, you have the same data on both the copy and the original, but as the dye isn't as reflective as on the original, it is slower to come off the disc as the laser has to work harder to retrieve the data. So, you won't notice any difference between putting the original or the copy on the HDD.

Basically, in short, loading your slow backup onto the HDD will cure the problems with it being slower.

yeah, thought so.
someone explained it to me liek this:

^ = data
_ = space on dye


fast burn:

__^^__^^__^^__

slow burn:

_^_^_^_^_^_^_



if you can make any sence of that, i think thats right. ok, so i need to get my games on a HDD asap! I'll have to lend a drive off a friend temporarily. or i could buy one, use it temporarily, then take it back afterwards. hmm, I'll think of something.

do you know of any list of games that need HDD patches? I know that GT4 needs one. any list of known game errors or something would be cool. i dunno, just wondering i am

[oZER0o]

another little question:

dvd decrypter makes an ISO and an MDS. i dont really need the MDS, as theyre usually for MDF's. will it be any better if i use the MDS ? i think it gives you that option for "Play Station 2" at the bottom if you use a MDS. I'm just wondering, why would you need a MDS for an ISO in the first place? isnt DVD Decrypter being a bit pointless for even bothering to make it?

[A03]

Why not use Sonic Recordnow? Make image to the PC HD and then burn..
Works wonders for me without a problem..Only time I ever used DVD Decrypter was when I had to back up God of War and GT4 other than that I only use it back up DVD Movies..Using Good DVD-R's factors as well as mentioned by lufcfan
but even without someone mentioning it, it's common sense no?

[oZER0o]

so what exactly are the advantages with sonic recordnow over dvd decrypter?

i havnt had a game not work on me yet, i was burning too slow. now ive realised that with the media I'm using you have to burn quick, i went back and reburned 1 or 2 games and they work fine, and load fast.

btw, ive been burning my new 8x media at 6x, but the load times on the games still seem to be fast. should i just go all out and burn at 8x ? could this make the load times even faster?

[lufcfan]

I'd say, always go as fast as the media and your burner will allow

[A03]

Originally Posted by oZER0o

so what exactly are the advantages with sonic recordnow over dvd decrypter?

i havnt had a game not work on me yet, i was burning too slow. now ive realised that with the media I'm using you have to burn quick, i went back and reburned 1 or 2 games and they work fine, and load fast.

btw, ive been burning my new 8x media at 6x, but the load times on the games still seem to be fast. should i just go all out and burn at 8x ? could this make the load times even faster?

Trying to help you out here bud..there is no significant Advantage rather matter of Preference..When the First DVD Burner Arrived at Reasonable price of $500.00 which was the A03 (2x Burner with 1x DVD-RW which I purchased BTW) it was equipped with Prazzi/Verita/Sonic Record now Max or Deluxe pending on which ever you got or purchased later down was the sort of choice for making DVD's..I haven't had a Single Problem from Day 1 with only drawback was that I had to throw/chop up media's due to lack of compatibility meaning sh** discs with unreasonable price but had to pay due to name brands were arm and a leg..Than later down prices started dropping and the quality has gotten better sort of like CD-R days relatively speaking..
Now I stick with Ritek G04 or G05 Silver Matte and works Great on all my DVD Players and consoles(Supposely it's easy on lasers to read in general)Just a thought..

[bighap]

Have me make your backups and they will play better than an original. j/k Biggie is back.

p.s. I always burn as fast as the media/burner will allow.

[oZER0o]

hehe, ok, I'll start burning at 8x then. it will proba only make the load times a second or 2 faster though. plus that will all be left in the dust when i finally get my network adaptor (yes, it STILL hasnt come...damn ebay people )

Originally Posted by A03

Trying to help you out here bud..there is no significant Advantage rather matter of Preference..When the First DVD Burner Arrived at Reasonable price of $500.00 which was the A03 (2x Burner with 1x DVD-RW which I purchased BTW) it was equipped with Prazzi/Verita/Sonic Record now Max or Deluxe pending on which ever you got or purchased later down was the sort of choice for making DVD's..I haven't had a Single Problem from Day 1 with only drawback was that I had to throw/chop up media's due to lack of compatibility meaning sh** discs with unreasonable price but had to pay due to name brands were arm and a leg..Than later down prices started dropping and the quality has gotten better sort of like CD-R days relatively speaking..
Now I stick with Ritek G04 or G05 Silver Matte and works Great on all my DVD Players and consoles(Supposely it's easy on lasers to read in general)Just a thought..

ok, cool. a nice piece of the history of backups

[lufcfan]

p.s. I always burn as fast as the media/burner will allow.

Same here, Bighap.

I always burn my 8x Verbatim DL+ discs at 8x on my Lite-On SOHW-832S and I have nothing but perfect, flawless backups

Btw, nice to see you back, Buddy

[PS2Delight]

Originally Posted by oZER0o

I know it could be my media, but I'm using Ridata DVD-R's with Ritek G05 dye.

The Ritek G05 -R's suck IMO. I had burned a backup of DBZ Budokai 3 onto one and not only was the gameplay very slow on my brother's V7 PS2, but the game action and the audio was out of sync! Doing a special move on one of my characters and the related audio for that effect didnt happen until a second later. And at one point the audio cut out on the overworld screen. Same problem happened on my V4 as well.

But when I did the same burn on a G04 disc, I had no problems whatsoever. Sure it took slightly longer to read the disc but i didnt have anymore audio/game action sync problems afterward. Its obvious that my PS2's didnt like the G05's at all.

So I stuck with the G04's for my game backups, but I still use the G05's for my DVD movie backups, which works fine in my standalone players.

[A03]

Originally Posted by PS2Delight

The Ritek G05 -R's suck IMO. I had burned a backup of DBZ Budokai 3 onto one and not only was the gameplay very slow on my brother's V7 PS2, but the game action and the audio was out of sync! Doing a special move on one of my characters and the related audio for that effect didnt happen until a second later. And at one point the audio cut out on the overworld screen. Same problem happened on my V4 as well.

But when I did the same burn on a G04 disc, I had no problems whatsoever. Sure it took slightly longer to read the disc but i didnt have anymore audio/game action sync problems afterward. Its obvious that my PS2's didnt like the G05's at all.

So I stuck with the G04's for my game backups, but I still use the G05's for my DVD movie backups, which works fine in my standalone players.

Which one Did you use Bud? Regarding to G05's? Branded,Silver Gloss or Silver Matte? Just curious..B/c I use G04 and G05 and hadn't any problems so far yet..