Starforce Petition!

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

(Ive mentioned these points in other threads but thought they also deserved to be mentioned here)

If I was given a choice between a game with Starforce protection or a game with an Online Activation (like HL2) I would honestly prefer the online activation!

Agree!

[coffin filler]

Aye. While "Steam" has many anoyances for the user it dosent do what SF dose. Anoyances are (imo) eaiser to deal with and leave you with a working PC. (Unlike what SF can leave you with besides a head ache). Online activation is more straight forward. It dose what it says on the tin and thats that. Once you uninstall a game with online activation (HL2 etc) then its gone where SF isnt. As the devs etc look for better ways to protect there games from piracy etc we are gonna come into contact with such things i guess. Therefore its up to us (the consumer) to let the ppl who matter (devs,publishers etc) know that were not happy with a protection like SF due to the consequences having a SF protected game can cause. I wonder if On-line activation is the way forward ?. I for one would perfer that. Its the better of two evils is it not?. Its not a cast iron guarentee to protect games from becoming warez (which is what the devs etc are looking for is it not?) because as im sure many of us know there was a version of HL2 avalible with the online activation ripped out meaning the S/P part of the game was playable. I do belive online activation is more user freindly than SF and i dont mind having games with online activation installed on my PC unlike SF protected games. Do you think its the way more and more games will be protected ?? It is a winner in many ways is it not ? I say that because people who own the original game (bought from shop etc) are able to back it up quiet easily and its all about the code. The only loosers in one way are the ppl who wish to own the game for nothing weather thats by D/L or whatever, and thats what its meant to stop is it not?. Having said all this i wouldnt be surprised is ppl arnt of the same opinion and dont want online activation instead of "other" protections. So SF or Online activation ? (im intrested to know which ppl would choose if given the option).

[Stevi]

I think there will be solution to backup every SF3 title released so far, with new Daemon Tools 4 Pro, which will go out very soon.

From other forum -

Some guys in the BETA of Daemon Tools PRO v.1, tell that from a ORIGINAL dvd of Splinter Cell 3, you can clone with Alcohol (mdf+mds) and play mounting the mds emulating Starforce with Daemon Tools...

So, just burn the game with Alcohol 120% (latest). and mount with Daemon Tools, install and play. This is tested with the latest staforce (the 3rd Splinter Cell 3 patch)

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/8028/daemontools43yf.jpg

http://img65.echo.cx/img65/55/dtoolssf35la.jpg

[impic0]

That won't help, since the SF devs will soon realize how daemon tools gets around the protection and release a new version. we do not only need ot boycot starforce, but any kind of copy protection! for software and music as well. as i already said, poeple who buy the software get the copy protection with it. people who download it from the internet don't, so what#s the point?
Btw, a french court dicided that copy protections are illegal, because the are against the users right to make one backup copy. very sad that the french have to show the rest of the world what is right...

[corones]

Yes i agree ,
i'm will not pay to get some kind of Trojan , Virus or something else to my Pc.
So i hope all ****in Starforce programmers will die a low age!!





Psi ops is Starforce 3 protected too

[GLH]

Originally Posted by corones

So i hope all ****in Starforce programmers will die a low age

Next time, TURN ON YOUR BRAIN, before posting such a crap !!!
Wishing the dead to people, only because you can't make a backup of a software..........

[Stevi]

Originally Posted by impic0

That won't help, since the SF devs will soon realize how daemon tools gets around the protection and release a new version.

But then again, Daemon Tools developers will release just a small update, and thats it. It will be easier for them, because they know now, how SF3 works.

[impic0]

Originally Posted by Stevi

But then again, Daemon Tools developers will release just a small update, and thats it. It will be easier for them, because they know now, how SF3 works.

Wait a second, shouldn't the people who actualy make the protection know better what they do, because they have the source? It's always more difficult to reverse-engineer, because you only have the asm "source".

[Stevi]

Originally Posted by impic0

Wait a second, shouldn't the people who actualy make the protection know better what they do, because they have the source? It's always more difficult to reverse-engineer, because you only have the asm "source".

I know that, but DT devs are also NOT stupid. There will ALWAYS be some kind of workaround - from hakers, Virtual Drive devs, or someone else... SF3 people are NOT the smartest people on earth. I know that there are some smart talented people that know how to crack dificult SF3 games (with dificult VM, PC Codes, and other custom stuff) in quicker way, but they are keeping it for themselves. They are not part of the warez scene... By the way, ALOT of good legendary crackers got busted last year (Fairlight, Immersion, Razor 1911, Deviance). With them, SF3 would be dead already, but nevermind, there WILL ALWAYS be some kind a workaround... Just my 2 cents.

[Grumpy]

@Stevi and Impic0
C'mon guys this was supposed to be a Starforce Petition thread! Go chat to each other in the 'Chit Chat' forum please.

[impic0]

Well sorry, but this thread makes no sense since you "sign" against the (almost) only copy protection that is still hard to crack. so what do you want? that software is protected by weak copy protections that erverybody can crack with help of some "tool"? i don't think publishers will agree with you. wouldn't it make more sense to start a petition against copy protections?

[LoxHazard]

Originally Posted by impic0

Well sorry, but this thread makes no sense since you "sign" against the (almost) only copy protection that is still hard to crack. so what do you want? that software is protected by weak copy protections that erverybody can crack with help of some "tool"? i don't think publishers will agree with you. wouldn't it make more sense to start a petition against copy protections?

Wrong

The petition is for starforce and his malicious drivers (work as a virus in your PC), not for protections in general.

If you read all post in the thread you get enough information about this.

[Grumpy]

@LoxHazard
That is exactly right. Well said.

NOTE: Its a shame the 14 1/2 thousand who have viewed this thread so far didnt come on board and submit their disgust at the Starforce Protection!
Not that they all would have been a different member etc, nor would they all have neccasarily agreed with what we have to say, but yeh it would have been nice!

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi guys,

On a sidenote, Starforce developers are developing software for the money. Dameon Tools developers, on the other hand, are developing free software for the fame. Guess who has more enthusiasm to trick the other?

Joe

[GLH]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Dameon Tools developers, on the other hand, are developing free software for the fame.

When i remember right, the new DAEMON TOOLS PRO 1.0 will be not for free !!!