Singles 1.4 crack/nocd ?

[MrJones@dk]

I've been looking for the crack/nocd to the 1.4 version of the game, for the last couple of days, and i havnt found it jet...
Could someone help make a crack/nocd for it? Its Starforce protected...
If not, could someone post me a link to a guide how to crack it?

Best Regards

MrJones

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I can provide orginal .exe and patch'd .exe and the old 1.0 crack if someone need it to crack the 1.4 .exe
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[krondike]

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I can provide orginal .exe and patch'd .exe and the old 1.0 crack if someone need it to crack the 1.4 .exe
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Those words saying it all!

[E_J]

Originally Posted by MrJones@dk

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I can provide orginal .exe and patch'd .exe and the old 1.0 crack if someone need it to crack the 1.4 .exe
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The person making the crack will also need the original CD-ROM because it is used to decrypt the executable.

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by E_J

The person making the crack will also need the original CD-ROM because it is used to decrypt the executable.

really? ;p a clone image will also suffice

[E_J]

Originally Posted by TippeX

really? ;p a clone image will also suffice

My experience with StarForce 3-protected games like "Singles" says that it won't suffice since a working clone image can't be made. However, please explain how to make a working image of a StarForce 3 game since you appear to know how.

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by E_J

My experience with StarForce 3-protected games like "Singles" says that it won't suffice since a working clone image can't be made. However, please explain how to make a working image of a StarForce 3 game since you appear to know how.

nope because if i tell you then everyone does it and then it isnt usable anymore is it.. same way theres no safedisc 3 unwrappers or securom ones available to the public, do some work it isnt that hard

[E_J]

Originally Posted by TippeX

nope because if i tell you then everyone does it and then it isnt usable anymore is it

That is a specious argument. If that were true, CD-ROM copying tools like Alcohol and CloneCD wouldn't be able to copy the latest Safedisc and SecuROM protections, and yet they can. However, neither of those programs can accurately copy StarForce 3 according to what I have read from others and tried myself.

The bottom line is that what I wrote above is effectively true. An original CD-ROM is required to create a crack unless you or someone else can prove that a working image can be made. An unsubstantiated assertion that such an image can be made doesn't change that reality for everyone else.

In addition, if you are unwilling to share your knowledge on this subject in this forum, then you should not be posting here. Posting vague assertions that a copy or crack can be made while providing no specifics to accomplish the task doesn't do anyone any good.

[ByteMare]

Because you can bet your ass that the big companies are watching this forum. Giving out specific details of i.e unwrapping the latest Sexxxurom and make sure that Sony has a niiice updated version ready for their customers next week...protections like SF are tough enough already, so if you wanna get *working* cracks, then don't give them any clues or ideas for "improvement"

[TippeX]

i couldnt care less about what you've tried, i couldnt care less about me being unwilling to share to my knowledge to you (give me one good reason why i should give u the benefit from my research), vague assertions they are not, for safedisc and securom and laserlok for that matter the cdrom is NOT required to crack it, and an image of starforce CAN be made, its the driver thats detecting the image is 'virtual', the image itself is NOT bad do some work
as for me posting here, i didnt see a mod under your title, so your little rant stops there i think. as for tools being able to clone the cd's, ever wonder why alcohol and daemon have to be updated each time a new protection comes along? yep thats right, they have to change their code to handle any possible blacklisting etc each new version they have more work to do, as well as having to update their emulation code to cater for the new versions

[Morglum007]

TippeX wrote:

"vague assertions they are not, for safedisc and securom and laserlok for that matter the cdrom is NOT required to crack it" ---> right

"and an image of starforce CAN be made" ---> not always possible (latest sf versions will refuse to play if some emulation tools are running: even with the unplugged IDE)

"its the driver thats detecting the image is 'virtual'" ---> not 100% correct, the drivers just locks devices and block some cracking tricks, the 24 character key provides the info about the CD estructure, mounted or not.

ByteMare wrote:

"Giving out specific details of i.e unwrapping the latest Sexxxurom and make sure that Sony has a niiice updated version ready for their customers next week..." ---> Well, even with its forum spying, Sony have not changed its main protection routine since a lot of time. The last they have done is ofuscate the main securom routine, but thats not a problem.
SecuROM is the weakest code protection on the market, but a good one at a physical level. By now, they must improve a lot, and till Sf working, they must learn really really and really a lot. To be sincerely, i think SecuROM will not be a problem in a near future.

Good luck!

[ByteMare]

Ok, that was a lame example, but the point is still the same: Don't give them any hints.

Yeah, I know securom sucks although they did a pretty good job with the triggers

[TippeX]

[QUOTE=Morglum007]

"and an image of starforce CAN be made" ---> not always possible (latest sf versions will refuse to play if some emulation tools are running: even with the unplugged IDE)

>> which is handled/detected by the driver.. think about it the old drivers
>> worked on images with the ide unplugged or whatever, and then the new >> drivers came along which stopped that

"its the driver thats detecting the image is 'virtual'" ---> not 100% correct, the drivers just locks devices and block some cracking tricks, the 24 character key provides the info about the CD estructure, mounted or not.

>> true, theres also timers involved, but if the image is made with alcohol
>> using the drms setting (cant remember spelling heh) then the image should
>> be fine, and its the sf driver thats messing with you...

[E_J]

Originally Posted by ByteMare

Because you can bet your ass that the big companies are watching this forum. Giving out specific details of i.e unwrapping the latest Sexxxurom and make sure that Sony has a niiice updated version ready for their customers next week...protections like SF are tough enough already, so if you wanna get *working* cracks, then don't give them any clues or ideas for "improvement"

First, I said nothing to Tippex about making a "crack." I asked him to detail how to make a working CD-ROM image.

Second, even your assumptions on cracks is wrong. Protections get updated anyway. If a crack exists for a game, that is all the proof which copy-protection developers need to change their protections. Case in point is that no public Safedisc unwrappers have been available since version 2.6 and yet SafeDisc has continued to be updated to the current version 3.2. The same has been true of SecuROM. The lack of public tools is no deterrent to updated protection any more than security through obscurity is effective in preventing attacks.

[E_J]

Originally Posted by TippeX

give me one good reason why i should give u the benefit from my research

You chose to post in this thread. My point is that your posting in it to say a working copy can be made while providing absolutely no details on how to do it is worthless.

vague assertions they are not

You need to consult a dictionary for a definition of the word "vague." The fact that you provided no details to backup your assertions makes them so.

[QUOTE=TippeX]

Originally Posted by Morglum007

"its the driver thats detecting the image is 'virtual'"

You are talking about running the image virtually, and I am talking about a copy burned onto CD writeable media. Technically a working copy of a game on CD writeable media should play in a read-only media drive in the same way that the original CD-ROM would. The only way that the Starforce driver could tell the difference is if the encryption key or other information it needs from the game media is simply not present on the copy.

With Safedisc, SecuROM, and even Tages, such a working copy can be made on CD writeable media. My experience and understanding with StarForce 3 is that a working copy on CD writeable media cannot be made. You quote seems to imply that hacking the Starforce driver would make a copy of the game functional, but that is still a hack/process which requires something more than duplicating the original media onto CD writeable media.

So, technically I suppose that someone wanting to make a crack for a StarForce game could use a clone image of the CD-ROM IF he knew how to properly modify the StarForce driver too. It would be easier to simply use the original CD-ROM to launch the game though to eliminate this extra work in creating the crack.

[krondike]

You can emulate and you can make 1:1 copy of Starforce. have been done with Gangland.

To emulate, unplugg ide cabel or any cables to the an driver or burner of cd or dvd.

To burn, well you might have a very good burner and reader. and lots of times......