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16-01-2003, 23:16
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Has anyone had trouble with BTC cdrw drives and copying safedisc protected games?
Hello everyone,
I am totally frustrated with trying to copy gp3 that is protected by the first safedisc version..... I have tried with both a sony cdrw 140x model and also with a digital research (BTC) 16x10x40 that supposedly has all requirements for copying. I used clonyxxl and clonecd 4 and managed the best copy yet. It goes to 28 % install before giving error on reading a disk. Has anyone been successful with the BTC cdrw drives and copying game cd's? I am trying to rule out that I am having a hardware setup issue before going out and buying a lite-on if I don't really need it... Another question is about the poloroid 40xmax. It has all apparent requirements too to copy protected cd's? Has anyone had success with this drive? I have one to try but if there is no hope of getting it to copy, it would be nice to know.... Thanks, Dave S. 
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#2
17-01-2003, 02:10
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Re: Has anyone had trouble with BTC cdrw drives and copying safedisc protected games?
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2. Try Blindwrite. 3. Read the topic above next time. 4. Don't write this kind of topics if u not have test all the option the topic above are suggesting!!! -->Stupid is another word for people<-- -->Smart guy is another word for ME  <--
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17-01-2003, 05:23
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Well Genius, If you look at my other posts, I have tried all these other suggestions. I was simply asking if anyone else has had trouble with the BTC cdrw's, as this may appear to be a tracking misalignment of the laser on my drive. I cannot patch the game and get it to work either.
My question was one that would give me some idea as to whether this is an alignment problem or a problem with the hardware as a whole, not being able to make a copy. The cd isnt scratched or defective, as it runs fine on it's own in either the cdrom drives(afreey, digitalresearch) and in both of the cdrws(sony, digitalresearch a.k.a. BTC). One would conclude that if the cd was defective/scratched, etc., wouldnt you think that it would have problems playing in the first place, GENIUS..... So have you tried the poloroid or BTC cdrw's to try to make a 1:1 cd copy of a safedisc protected cd, for example, gp3? Next time when you assume that someone is having major problems doing something that maybe you have no problems doing, then it might just be defective hardware, defective software, computer hardware setup errors/incompatibilities, user inexperience, or limitation of hardware....... I am an electrical engineer who had no problems making cd's before. As I now have different equipment than when I was burning, it could be hardware setup, compatibility issues, or limitation of hardware, but none of the possibilities are due to stupid suggestions that are only helpful to someone who is totally non oriented to computers. So genius, without visiting MIT, or Purdue, why dont you stick to the question! 1) have you had trouble with BTC cdrw's when creating safedisc protected cd copies? 2) Have you tried a poloroid burnMAX40 to create a copy of a cd protected by safedisc? 3) Are you from outside the U.S., as there are software differences between software versions of different regions, europe, U.S., Japan. 4) Do you know of any blacklisted additions to GP3 that would explain the inability for this cdrw to copy gp3 while yours is able? O.K. Hotshot, chew on that a while......stupid is as stupid does, and stupid people who falsely assume that someone hasnt covered the basic check list when troubleshooting without first asking a question in a reasonable tone, can't be too far above simpleton status..... Dave S.
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17-01-2003, 08:26
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My, my, my. Three "Genius"-ses and a "Hotshot". Someone might get the impression that you're trying to insult krondike for his reply. Problem is, I've reread his post five times now, and I still don't see any reason for your snotty attitude mr daves_22. He couldn't smell that you were an "electrical engineer", nor could he know that you already completely checked the original cd for defects, since you FAILED TO MENTION THIS IN YOUR FIRST POST. I have a confession to make to you mr daves_22 : NOBODY here is psychic. That's right, we don't have super powers, and we can't know what you already tried and what not without YOU telling US. Krondike just tried to help you out. If you object to point 4) of his post, it's a kind of tradition here to reply more or less POLITE. This is because your snotty reply is not only read by Krondike, but also by other potential contributors (i.e. me). It's completely up to krondike now if you get another reply, I'm moving to the next thread, where they don't have snotty electrical engineers. Goodbye. You probably won't miss much of my 'expertise' since I'm not an "electrical engineer' anyway....
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#5
17-01-2003, 15:16
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Last time I checked, when I started used this website four or five years ago, it was a place where one could get some information.
His remarks were not necessary as all I asked was for information from anyone having trouble with a cdrw brand that isnt tested on elby site, and isnt mentioned in most of the previous posts that I read so far. I have burned on three different cdrw's, I have tried direct 1:1 copying, I have tried the patches, and to no avail, I still am getting errors such as : Error cannot read file. These errors have come at different times, but always with a sound file from the game, which leads me to the conclusion that it is the copy protection still giving me problems. So before I install the dvd drive and the poloroid burnmax40 into my computer, I was hoping to get some accurate information as to whether it was even a viable option. Also, I have the hard drives connected to a ultra66 card from promise, and the cdrom and cdrw is connected to the motherboard ide controller. I am going to take the via busmaster off as I am using the 4 in 1 ver. 4.38(v) drivers, and try running them with the microsoft ide drivers to see if it fixes the problems. Secondly, I will try to unhook the hard drive, and use it off the ide controller on the motherboard to see if that helps...... I apologize for being rather short in my response, but after working on this for six hours, burning and reburning, it is rather annoying to have a response such as his.........basically, I am trying everything possible to find or locate the exact problem that is causing the errors. The info I was asking for was specific, and reading the response that I got, I didnt see any attempt by him to answer one of the questions asked. Sincerely, Dave S.
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17-01-2003, 15:54
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. I should better me. But I could'nt stop my self. Quote:
Try Blindwrite, poloroid burnmax40, nero burning rom, Clone CD and more burning programs. But burn it into a CD-RW disc, then U can erase if the copy faled. One thing U also should know if U don't, Newer Safedisc can defekt your cd-burner. If u are trying to do a backup of the game. Okaj one more suggestion. Do an new image with .iso formats. Use WinImage and then extract the image file (.iso) run CD-Check (a program also) and check if there is any files are wrong. If there is. Yeah U got a problem. If it isn't try to brun the .iso file (the image file) and but burn it so slow at possible. They slower U burn the CD the better quality U get. So don't burn in 40X if your cd burner support it. Try do it so slow att possibile. Then reply on this topic again. Then maybe sombody else can help U. Safedisc version has never been a problem for me so I'm supprise that's are making problems for u. -->I'm stupid  and the others people are not!  <--
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17-01-2003, 16:49
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And to prove my last point, here's a piece of advice : make a clonecd image on hard disk of your troublesome game and use CDMage to open it and scan for corruption. As Cirkutz mentioned, you should get a lot of errors in the first 800-10000 sectors. When it has done checking for corruption, select all errors (press ctrl-a in the error window), right click and then select "Locate content of sectors", this will check to which file each sector belongs. You'll notice that the 800-10000 error sectors stay "unknown", meaning that they don't belong to any file, which in turn means that they're safedisc 2 copy protection sectors. If you have errors in files, your cd image is bad and has to be redone. If this keeps on happening, your original is bad and krondike's suggestion number one was after all true; now you see why he suggested this ? You can try to correct that by reading again, but this time change the reading speed in the profile you use ("game cd", "data cd"...) to 1x, this will make CloneCD read in at the lowest speed possile for that drive (my writer can go to 4x speed instead of 40x speed, this usually fixes errors). Only when CDMage does NOT report errors outside the ones for the safedisc 2 protection, have you made a good image that can be written away again.
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18-01-2003, 03:30
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I have tried burning on cdr's, 80 min. different brands, and on 74 min. different brands all of which worked before.
After only making two coasters in 7 years, I made five in one night and two the next day. So , I started burning on cdrw's 80 min, and on cdrw's 74 minutes, and nothing. I have used nero, clonecd, blindwrite once, (will try it again), and it still seems to be either a setup with the hardware, or possible inability of cdrw to do this.... However, the BTC appears to have all qualifications to work.....I will try unloading the busmaster drivers, then we will try yet on a third machine to test this particular cdrw out......but it would really have been nice if someone WHO owns a BTC to answer whether or not they have been having troubles. And really that is the point. If kron doesnt have a BTC drive, and hasnt heard of anything one way or another, then his answer really doesnt fit my question. I imagine that after a while on this site, it gets old trying to help newbies who must ask the same questions over and over again.....However, I design and build systems and unlike a lot of people I work with, I don't mind helping someone out who is having trouble. The main point in dealing with someone else is to listen to what they are saying, and not to assume anything like that they may be having trouble because they don't have a clue... My question was legit.....and still is, 1) Has anyone had success with a BTC cdrw specifically the 1610i? 2) Has anyone had success with the poloroid 40xmax ? These questions can only be answered from someone who owns one of these drives, or has heard from someone who has had problems.....That was the questions asked mainly, if kron hasnt heard anything and doesnt own one of these drives, then I wouldnt mind if he replied, no I havent heard anything, or sorry, dont know.....Secondly, on my other posts in pcgames, I simply asked about the unwrapper that hasnt worked either. Again specific, and the posts there were reasonable as I was checking to see if I was doing anything wrong in using it, which unfortunately I wasnt. I'm terribly sorry if I hurt your feelings kron, as for engineers, it is like any other occupation with the exception of the tremendous responsibility and sometimes pressure that comes with the job. Most engineers dont look down on anyone or their occupation, for instance, you have someone that works on the job for forty years and he'll tell you everything about a machine, or system, that you just won't find in a book. Experience and intelligence is not limited to engineering or other higher education degrees or fields. I was short because I was frustrated in not being able to pinpoint my problem, and basically wanted an answer to specific questions about certain cdrws to save time in troubleshooting, so if you were just being yourself and were trying to help, my apologies to slamming you.You didnt answer my questions asked and I responded badly. Hopefully then this post will make up for the hard feelings... P.S. thanks for the response cirkutz, but I tried copying to the hd as well, it isnt working.... I burn but depending on whether i use 80 min or 74 min cdrw, it kicks out on the sound files.... Last edited by daves_22; 18-01-2003 at 03:33.
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18-01-2003, 20:23
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Well Zedy, thanks with the input, but the BTC works fine, and is as good or better as the liteon that I owned. The laser and the inside chips believe it or not, of actually of a better quality than the other more well known cdrw's on the market.
I found the trouble, and it was with microsoft it seems, not the BTC or the burning software. the microsoft sludge caused it again as I believe the registry got trashed up..... I find it rather interesting that you are judging my the quality of engineering based on microsoft's, or anyone elses lack thereof. As for any company such as IBM, Microsoft, ASUS,etc., one engineer is not totally responsible for every design detail or decision made by a corporate monolith. Furthermore, most all of the cdrw's/cdroms are based on designs of a few companies. The BTC seems to be built better than most other of the more popular models and the allignment of the laser was perfect. I made the mistake by basing my initial testing on the fact that by all appearances, the drive was making copies fine of non protected cd's, and only when the copy protection reared it's ugly head, did the error of the operating system/setup/registry caused problems. I apologized to Kron in my previous reply, but as it sometimes goes, a little knowledge can be rather dangerous as most of the 75% of problems can most certainly be attributed to software/microsoft sludge. It would be an incredible time consuming job to try to find the exact cause, and wasnt my intention, just to find a zeroing in point of the problem and solving it easily. That's why I asked if anyone HAD this drive, or the other drive, or heard of any trouble. And either a "I dont know" or a " i heard this", would have been helpful in not troubleshooting in the wrong place. Since there hasnt been any posts of any trouble, or anything at all, it would seem that maybe the reason why is that nobody who owns a BTC has any trouble to have to be on here....Furthermore, since nobody heard of any problems, then a I dont know" would have had me look at the registry/op system/drivers area a little sooner. Lastly, this isnt my cdrw but someone else's, and now that windows has been corrected, the computer along with the cdrw are running much better. Hopefully the info on the BTC drives will help you or someone else, as looking in the inside, it is of very good quality whether built in Taiwan, or the artic circle..... No circuit parts are of the high quality of the american brands before they started making them cheaper and sourcing the work to asian countries, mexico, where they find cheap labor. But the ibm pc actually is of better quality parts than any current computer, but I wouldnt want to have to surf around or work on an XT now when you can on a 3 or 4 GHz machine. So quality is relative to whether it really does the job in real terms, I can't say anything bad about this BTC drive..... It's working great.. Hope you all can recover from this reply, as I am really tired of it, and I will never post a reply longer that 14 to 15 lines, and hopefully a lot smaller. I gladly welcome CirKutz to edit this whole thread or remove it, We surely can post the results of the BTC drive working or running fine and the problem being windows error contamination. Thank you kindly for all of your help, and I sincerely apologize for ANY Hard Feelings caused by previous posts.... Dave S.
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19-01-2003, 13:04
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okaj I've haven't read all that's been writing. Bacuse it's was very much...
But if U don't have done this U can try this. Try to just copy all the files that's in your cd. To the harddrive. Does the message still showing then. If u have try to do that and the message show. U can download SafeDisc analyser tools to check if there is some file that's are in safedisc protection. But don't think the cd is safedisc protected. For exmample. Operation Flashpoint install file, is Safedisc protected. If U dump the hole CD into the harddriver, and try to install the game. Ju get error massage, "Please insert your orginal CD" that's a typical SafeDisc error massage. It's kind of wierd if Safedisc Protected install file, allow U to install what was it 28% of the game or? It can be protected fom a rare protection but that's it's big chans. Try to dumpt the cd into the harddriver. and install the game from there. The problem U can have is when U try to run the game. But U can download a crack to fix that problem! What I think the error massage U can get, it's when U copy, the Windows are saying somthing "Cannot read from the surce disc" if U get that message, the original CD is incorect. That's mean that U need to contact the manifactior. If U already knew this or try what I was writing. Just ignore the message!
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19-01-2003, 16:09
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@daves 22 if u have already said then i am sorry but ur posts goon 4 ever m8
so wot is it exactly u are trying to copy then i might have a go at answering 4 u k m8 right im off down the pub l8er peeps 
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20-01-2003, 18:30
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Greetings all,
I am sorry, basically I apologized to Kron as I was rather harsh... That being said, the BTC is fine, in fact, i like it as well as my old lite-on. The problem was errors in the registry causing some problems with drives or something to that effect. I copied over windows with itself, and got rid of what I like to call microsoft 'sludge' in the registry. As soon as I reinstalled, every thing worked fine. In the past, this aproach has helped, but this system showed no signs of needing it until the problem with the safedisc. Problem solved..... It seems to work with all programs now, thanks to CirKutz for info on the setting I needed with clonecd. Thanks to everyone for their help, and thanks to Kron for accepting my apology for being short.. Dave S.
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