REQ: Stolen trainers to be removed from GCW

[TippeX]

sorry, cheat happens making their source code open source would be pointless.. simply for the factors dab mentioned.. most people read tutorials, think they can do everything and fall flat on their faces... laziness factor...

now, if you want to learn how to code trainers ,go do some research on asm code, win32 api and search the net, then play with your own code, if you've got problems then ask but by no means expect to be spoonfed...

Have not read any tutorials on this forum, but from other forums I would say that some of them have been somewhat lacking for me to get a clear understanding of them... or written "hastily" so they are only usefull to a very limited number of people who have the patience to read Ghetto-speak or are already familiar with the material being discussed.

your ignorance really has no boundaries does it...

[DABhand]

What Joe says is true, but Joe forgets we are talking about trainers and not applications

[Caliber]

to the person who wrote:

"If I am not mistaken, the CH content that appears on GCW are the 1 MB large "PROMO" trainers with +1 option? Hardly a loss if you ask me. "

You don't get it. it's not the Promos, it's the FULL TRAINERS once they are released to the public for free several weeks after the members get them first. The Promos worked as a way for users who might want the trainer early to sign up with us OR they can see what the FULL TRAINER will have when it's free in several weeks-

We posted like 40 or 50 FULL WORKING trainers a month here, not just the Promos, LOL-

best,
Cal

[EMPiRE]

@PWizard: Maybe i did not make it clear in my reply, the information in this thread has convinced me that KelSat is ripping code and I wanted to make it clear that UNTIL this tread nothing concrete was ever given

For now KelSat's trainers will not be posted as he lied to me about stealing the code

[Jacardis]

OMG .. this ridiculous, bickering about code . im new here in forum , but i have been using gamecopyworld for longest im 35 years old and all you acting like bunch crying brats .
empire all respect to you and this place but my friend must say if you don't allow kelsat trainers to be posted then you might as well shut down all trainer section or shut down site . because all you doing is allowing cheatheaven to monopolize all game trainers . no longer will be no free trainers . in order to enjoy a game to fullist you got pay for a trainer... eh? missing something here .. already spend anywhere from 25 to 40 dollars on the game but then if i wanted a little more power i would have to go pay some website for a game trainer no not my style .

claims and accusation are all thats happening here . if you want to stop his trainers from being posted here im sure this will be a set back for all . not to mention from what i seen 90 % of the trainers posted are complements of kelsat and few others who SEEK NO PROFIT in doing what they do, unlike ch.

sorry but after reading all this i must say this topic should have been locked before it got any futher past page 1.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Jacardis

OMG .. this ridiculous, bickering about code . im new here in forum , but i have been using gamecopyworld for longest im 35 years old and all you acting like bunch crying brats .
empire all respect to you and this place but my friend must say if you don't allow kelsat trainers to be posted then you might as well shut down all trainer section or shut down site . because all you doing is allowing cheatheaven to monopolize all game trainers . no longer will be no free trainers . in order to enjoy a game to fullist you got pay for a trainer... eh? missing something here .. already spend anywhere from 25 to 40 dollars on the game but then if i wanted a little more power i would have to go pay some website for a game trainer no not my style .

claims and accusation are all thats happening here . if you want to stop his trainers from being posted here im sure this will be a set back for all . not to mention from what i seen 90 % of the trainers posted are complements of kelsat and few others who SEEK NO PROFIT in doing what they do, unlike ch.

sorry but after reading all this i must say this topic should have been locked before it got any futher past page 1.

Luckily your not a mod, im 35 and calling me a crying brat without looking at what I know or have done makes you look stupid.

And what your brattish mind cant comprehend is Trainers take time to make, finding coding to manipulate can be quick but normally it takes a long time.

So like ive said before if Caliber wants to work for a bit of money when he is writing numerous trainers a week or updating trainers for new game updates, then that is his choice. Not yours.

This world doesnt revolve around people like yourself who think they deserve free trainers every bloody day, you probably dont even buy your games either. So instead of coming in here blowing your big horn because the possibility that you wont get all those free trainers you desire will slowly dwindle, go and get a life or something.

I cant be bothered talking to you anymore infact.

[Jacardis]

i have been to your site and was disapointed i been looking for a trainer that coincided with a game im very fond of stormrise. but when i saw you had one with limted option and had to purchase a full membership just to get it . that turned me off from your site, sorry.

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by Jacardis

i have been to your site and was disapointed i been looking for a trainer that coincided with a game im very fond of stormrise. but when i saw you had one with limted option and had to purchase a full membership just to get it . that turned me off from your site, sorry.

we didn't make a promo for stormrise because we could only create TWO options for this game. those 'limited' options took me the best of 8 hours to create.

FIRST- this game is DX-10 ONLY, which limits the OS that a trainer maker has to have to be able to just RUN the game.

SECOND - the fact that it is VISTA also affects the TOOLS we can use and this game crashes when breakpointed with a debugger (even with PLUGS)

THIRD - this game uses LUA scripting to perform all of it's decision making and variable updating. What does this mean? This means that ALL variables and data are routed through TWO code locations ONLY. THOUSANDS of variables run through these code sections every couple milliseconds. Divining out the HEALTH or POWER or whatever of the PLAYER ONLY vs. the thousands of other variables running through that code section is a nightmare. If you've never made a trainer then you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

why am i going into all of this? basically you won't see any other trainers other than OURS for this game, because nobody is going to screw with this game for 8 hours, dealing with crashes and dead ends over and over trying to make options for a VISTA only game. i don't often try to boost myself like this, but this trainer is a F'ing accomplishment. we have way too much other work for me to try and put 8 to 12 more hours into this mildly popular game just so i can *maybe* find a way to do more options.

Those two options are quite powerful, by the way, and took alot of creative thinking, skill, and home-made tools I programmed myself to accomplish.

So i take exception to you putting down our 'limited' trainer and I will go out on a limb and say that I doubt we see any other trainers for that game (unless someone looks at my code and tries to copy it). There's good reasons why some trainers have limited options. That doesn't mean they didn't take skill and alot of work to create them-

good luck finding another trainer for that game. By the way, a subscription to our site enables you to download ALL the members only trainers, but you know that already...

best,
Cal

[apache-yesitisme]

Originally Posted by Caliber

I will go out on a limb and say that I doubt we see any other trainers for that game (unless someone looks at my code and tries to copy it).
best,
Cal

OMFG! what are you like lol , your way too paranoid
anyway was not the end means of this thread to seek a resolve for cheathappens problem of people allegedly ripping certain trainers? how about requiring members legit home address and isp base? dna fingerprints and first born child as collateral or not releasing ANY full trainers to the public domain then i guess u have some kind of software legal protection??? or maybe more legal clout but then again proving somebody is stealing code would be difficult i guess
besides from what i have read on here(this thread) caliber, ch is doing better then ever? so is this 'stealing' really damaging your site? or is this and other similar thread giving cheathappens.com unprecedented free publicity
Now chris iam not deflaming cheathappens btw i have actually been in the same dilemma and i couldnt think of a solution

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hmmm, fingerprints are well possible in a software...

If you have a strong secondary PC and lots of space on your web server, you could create user-specific versions of all downloads. In a very simplified version, you hide a redundant "MOV EAX, user_id" in a well-defined place of the code - I mean, 1) assemble "MOV EAX, 0" into the common version, 2) patch into it the user_id for each user-specific version and 3) compress/encrypt only afterwards. If your web server is strong and you don't have that many downloads, it could be done on-the-fly by the web server instead.

Then, if you see your code being ripped off and that code contains the hidden fingerprint, you'll be able to find out which user on your site stole it (or leaked it to the thief). This assumes, of course, that A) the thief is not smart enough to find the fingerprint and/or B) the ripped off code is sophisticated enough for such a fingerprint to stay well hidden in it (it does not become obvious that that particular instruction is not needed for the functionality) and C) the thief does not have access to two (or more) user-specific versions that - after decompression and decrypting - only differ in the fingerprint.

Wanna attend a polymorphic virus coding course?

[...] Or another simple example, taken from SecuROM. Whenever using constants, use "MOV EAX, (value XOR user_id XOR random_value); XOR EAX, (user_id XOR random_value)" instead of a plain "MOV EAX, value". Because of the randomness of the actual values, the user_id won't be seen anywhere "naked" but you, the author knowing the random_value for at least one such tricky assignment, can easily find out. Yes, this can be unwinded, but, when sophisticated enough, only with lots of struggles and "visual debugging" (watch the code in a disassembler and find out in your head what it does) becomes extremely annoying, too.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Originally Posted by Jacardis

i have been to your site and was disapointed i been looking for a trainer that coincided with a game im very fond of stormrise. but when i saw you had one with limted option and had to purchase a full membership just to get it . that turned me off from your site, sorry.

You don't pay for this or that trainer; you pay the creators for coding stuff all the time and then get all trainers for free. See how different it is from another point of view?

Yeah, my grandma - if she was still living - might have wanted whatever operating system and applications only to read/write simple documents and E-mails and surf the Web. For that purpose, Windows and M$ Office would be way too expensive. However, if she had bought them for the heck of it, she might have found out that they offer a lot more than she had thought of. So they may turn out to be a good purchase, after all.

[EMPiRE]

I know that posting CH PROMO's could be seen as supporting CH but as I told before ANY kind of trainer is a trainer for me, even a +1 option

I understand that CH is making money of trainers but they also have to pay the bills (hosting, people, etc). Their model is asking money for software, what is so strange about that! Just because trainers were free does not mean that they are wrong asking for money now.

You can disagree about this but if someone puts time into this (for some options it took al lot) why not ask something in return?

[Jacardis]

so whats wrong with people remaking free trainers? then if there is nothing wrong with making profit off trainers?

[Joe Forster/STA]

I couldn't say I got any wiser in this matter, even after the last few posts... TippeX, would you compare a pair of suspiciously identical trainers, please?

Originally Posted by Jacardis

so whats wrong with people remaking free trainers?

Remaking is fine, rereleasing is not.

[TippeX]

simple, 99.9% of them all use WriteProcessMemory to patch in the trainer code...
so we could have a tool (i guess i could make it if needed) which 'caught' the api call, and outputed what it would write, the size, and the location

we do this on both trainers, and analyse the code that would be injected...
we then compare it (taking rva's into account) and look for similar or identical byte patterns, which gives us a very early indication to the uniqueness of them (or otherwise)