messiah problem

warrinl · #1 23-06-2002, 01:46

hi,
i have just got my pal ver 3 console chipped with the messiah,the problem is that ps2 cdr boot ok everytime but when i put a dvd-r in it comes up with the playstation 2 logo but the game does not boot.please could someone advise me if i need my ps2 rechipped or any suggestions.
thanks

pieter · #2 23-06-2002, 01:49

Hi m8,

Did you read the instructiens? Because you don't follo them your dvd movie don't play!

you must dubble press the reset button fast twice! If you want all info go to w*w.china-messiah.com

Greetz

warrinl · #3 23-06-2002, 01:52

sorry i meant ps2 dvd-r game won't boot

pieter · #4 23-06-2002, 01:58

Hmm ok.

What kind of dvd-r are you using? the best are Verbatim or mac dvd-r's or some times others.

But did you already played a dvd movie and does that work? if not then you have 75% tance that your dvd laser is broken! (this i see a lot on v3 conlose's!!)

Goodluck

charlie_ps2 · #5 23-06-2002, 02:03

Success with DVD/DVD-R on the PS2 is, first and foremost, a question of reflectivity and the causes of poor reflectivity.

Sony calibrate their CD and DVD laser diodes at around 1200 ohms, Dealing just with the DVD laser diode, this means if it can deliver 2mW (I think that's the value) power to the red laser beam, then a DVD (or DVD-R) with reflectivity in the range 45% to 85% will be read and processed by the firmware. Indeed a new PS2 laser can resolve Princo DVD-Rs (see below) which have reflectivity below 45%.

If the laser can't deliver the correct power, like it's near fried, worn out or whatever, then it will only read a DVD (or DVD-R) if there is sufficient power to read a disk with reflectivity higher up the band range. At worst, it will appear to emit light, but at a power lower than can generate a properly reflected return beam.

DVD games problbably differ in their reflectivity. Some games, like GTA3, are 'badly' pressed and may well have lower reflectivity than other games, though still in the range 45% to 85%. So, FMV will skip with a worn laser. This has been reported so many times with GTA3.

DVD-Rs have reflectivity in the range (my estimate) 15% to 65% and this is price related. I haven't been able to meaure the reflectivity of Princos, but I estimate below 40%. But i know that Mitsui are 50% and Verbatims around 60%.

SO now that you can see what makes a DVD drive sensitive, let's look further under the PS2 hood.

The Laser - does it wear out?
The" Laser" means the Laser Diode, the semiconductor that lases to produce coherent light. This diode is a sandgrain in size reaching 70 deg Centigrade. A very small increase in current (like pushed through by 5v or by over-reducing the resistance using the recalibration pots) will take the temperature through the breakdown barrier so that it lases dark light or weakly lases at the right wavelength. So yes, like a light bulb, the Laser will eventually wear out according to use.

Does a DVD-R wear the laser out?
A cheapish DVD-R has about/less than half the reflectivity of a pressed DVD and the laser power required to avoid re-reads is higher on poor media, achieved by re-calibration. A more expensive DVD-R (e.g. Verbatim) has about 60% ideal reflectivity which, with a clean lens, is sufficient to work with the standard laser power, esp. on a v5. So the laser will wear out sooner if you re-calibrate it and even sooner if you over-calibrate (by more than, say, 10%).

Red Screen of Death
When the disk is inserted, you can hear something akin to a mouse squeaking very rapidly. That's the lens moving up and down to focus and side-to-side to locate the groove that it follows to obtain the data. This lens movement is activated by magneto through tiny wires, current and magnets. Then the sled traverses the disk to measure its diameter (there are mini sized audio CDs).

When focusing, it tries first in red light; if there is reflectivity, the disk is a DVD/DVD-R and it can boot; if it is not a PS2 disk, the red screen appears.

If there is no reflectivity, it tries infra-red light and if there is then reflectivity, the disk is a CD/CD-R; if it is not a PS2 disk, the red screen appears.

If there is still no reflectivity, it goes to the browser. Either the lens is dirty or the laser cannot muster enough power and needs recalibration and eventual replacement.

There is an outside chance that the laser needs adjusting for the lens being parallel to the disk (azimuth) or the sled being parallel (the white cog).

So - there it all is. When you get the same question over again, then point to this thread. maybe the mods will sticky this.

warrinl · #6 23-06-2002, 02:26

hi,
my ps2 plays original dvd movies,original ps2 games and cdr ps2 games i backed up ,burnout,mgs and devil my cry using pioneer 104,nero on discplanet dvd-r and tried a mirror platinum dvd-r but they don't play is it the dvd-r media i am using?or shall i return my ps2 to the the chip installer as i only got in chipprd on friday.

warrinl · #7 23-06-2002, 02:38

hi,
my ps2 plays original dvd movies,original ps2 games and cdr ps2 games i backed up ,burnout,mgs and devil my cry using pioneer 104,nero on discplanet dvd-r and tried a mirror platinum dvd-r but they don't play is it the dvd-r media i am using?or shall i return my ps2 to the the chip installer as i only got in chipprd on friday.

pieter · #8 23-06-2002, 05:38

When it play's psx and ps2 games on cdr disc's then the chip is working good! And if it also play's dvd movies your dvd-laser is also good.

Please try some other dvd-r's because the ps2 is very selected at this! Verbatim or pioneer are the best!
If you use a Pioneer a03 with firmware 1.68 update it to 1.80 and your disc will also read beter by your ps2!
If it still not work then you maybe must adjust your dvd-laser but this is not easy and dangeres!!

goodluck

charlie_ps2 · #9 23-06-2002, 07:01

A weak laser can still play DVD movies as my article above explains. But it won't read DVD-Rs, again for the reasons explaines in the above article.

So you have to ascertain which of the problems it is:

1 Your laser needs replacing (try recalibrating - via your installer)
2 The burned games are not correctly burned or poor media

Most likely to be 1 because your PS2 is well used & v3.

warrinl · #10 23-06-2002, 14:05

SUCCESS!!!
thanks for the help just got a dvd-r game working using a better quality disc.

charlie_ps2 · #11 23-06-2002, 14:46

So, now for everyone's benefit, please tell us the BAD media and the GOOD media.

warrinl · #12 23-06-2002, 14:58

the bad media i tried were DISCPLANET and MIRROR PLATINUM and the good media were BRANDED F.W.S MEDIA 2 games backed up tonight both work like a dream.

toongaz · #13 23-06-2002, 23:50

how about LASER DVD-R brand? are they good?

warrinl · #14 24-06-2002, 00:19

don't know as i have only tried the 3 brands as list above so far