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Old 18-11-2022, 03:46
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Try it packing use MSC+DLZ or LOLZ compressors packing the game *.ba2 archive files or *.dds. In losslessly.

These DDS to KAS conversions vice versa its lossy, not recoverable the original DDS files and packing to BA2 archive. Make the RIP or LOSSLESS the target method? (Its RIP'ed version preferably smaller than Lossless mode.)
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Old 18-11-2022, 03:55
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Try it packing use MSC+DLZ or LOLZ compressors packing the game *.ba2 archive files or *.dds. In losslessly.

These DDS to KAS conversions vice versa its lossy, not recoverable the original DDS files and packing to BA2 archive. Make the RIP or LOSSLESS the target method? (Its RIP'ed version preferably smaller than Lossless mode.)
I've compressed .ba2 files with xtool+srep+lolz (huge decompression by xtool and then compression) and then .dds files with same method. xtool is useless with .dds files, as is precomp. I'll try MSC.
xtool+srep+lolz method is quite good, but i'm trying to compress even more.
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Old 19-11-2022, 07:34
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I tried with MSC, but as I thought there was no noteworthy result. I think I need some kind of tool specific to compress .dds file; the hardest thing is to find it!
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Old 19-11-2022, 15:39
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I tried with MSC, but as I thought there was no noteworthy result. I think I need some kind of tool specific to compress .dds file; the hardest thing is to find it!
1) MSC
2) DLZ
3) LOLZ

all made by the same author one after another over time. There is no better tool for compressing most DDSs than LOLZ.
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Old 21-11-2022, 06:51
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Dragonis40: The last good "xtool+srep+lolz" combo results, not hardly efficiently in preferred usages?? Not available better mode in losslessly packing. See past infromation from native/unpacked and compressed size from checking. What is the goal? RIP or REPACK? 1*DVD5? 10...20...30GB???

Converted dds packing methods, in lossy and probably betterly compressible. Packing pure DDS or KAS files, use LOLZ or SREP+LOLZ combo... We don't really have a better idea.
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Old 21-11-2022, 13:40
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Dragonis40: The last good "xtool+srep+lolz" combo results, not hardly efficiently in preferred usages?? Not available better mode in losslessly packing. See past infromation from native/unpacked and compressed size from checking. What is the goal? RIP or REPACK? 1*DVD5? 10...20...30GB???

Converted dds packing methods, in lossy and probably betterly compressible. Packing pure DDS or KAS files, use LOLZ or SREP+LOLZ combo... We don't really have a better idea.
Good evening! What I want to do is a REPACK! I've been working on Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 repacks and "xtool+srep+lolz" combo is very good for .bsa and .ba2 files.
My goal is to compress Fallout 4 even more (to try to get as close as Fitgirl repack in terms of final compression); to do that I've tried to find the best method for .dds file compression losslessly. I've noticed that DDS_to_KAS method isn't lossless, but I've asked to all of you in order to be sure 100% and a better method.
Now, you confirm me that there's no better method than "xtool+srep+lolz", so that's it!
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Old 21-11-2022, 13:51
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What you could do else is to extract one of the texture archives with bsa extractor and try different lolz settings on extracted dds files.
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Old 23-11-2022, 01:14
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Dragonis40: Its all clear. (Make without HD textures pack?)

Checked the installer, releaser probably used 6(!) different lolz versions!

Its probably very first unknown version release. (EXE files smaller than 70KB!), lolz tset17g, lolly v19j, lolz v20d3, lolz v21a and last lolz v22c4b

The packages smaller than 17GB (16.83GB in xx-01 to 06 files only) more selectable language files ~1Gb to ~3.4GB sizes. 20.5GB the minimal size and installed size 36GB. Optional HD textures pack its bigger than 30GB packed and ~59GB installed size.

Lighter game only version --> ~21GB (xtool, srep, many lolz, Razor and precomp?? HDiffz/Xdelta3 from patching and unknown tools)
Game + HD textures --> upto ~51GB (ZTool, srep, faked version MSC(!)* and precomp?)

These project last stage compressed results, from comparing?? The HD textures prepacked in ZTool. And probably precomp from releases.

The games, contains BIK videos? PCM and MP3/OGG audio?

*The dll checked, contains, SFK tool and bzlib2/zip library. Not the real Profrager's CLS-MSC filter. I once had a ~550kB CLS-MSC.dll file in my hands, it was also version 0.0.6.4, but I don't know how it differed from the widespread, original release.

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