REQ: Stolen trainers to be removed from GCW

[Joe Forster/STA]

And you're both lucky I'm a patient mod... Seriously, stop it and concentrate on making up constructive ideas to solve the problem described in this thread instead.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Jacardis

DABhand it's good thing your not mod either. because now i can just ignore your post regarding me as irrelevant trash post. all these post resolve around people expressing there opinions so i figure i express my own. this reason why i don't go to forum much anymore because there always some ass who thinks just because he got some dam high post count he can trash new members

I know what Joe said... But look at it this way, your the one who came flaunting in and declared everyone "crying brats" now you had a taste of your own medicine your gonna cry.

Jeez louise, yes this thread is defo not for you :P

Yes expressing your opinion is good, but you dont know how to do that and think attacking others is expressing your opinion, guess what it doesnt lol

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by Jacardis

i have been to your site and was disapointed i been looking for a trainer that coincided with a game im very fond of stormrise. but when i saw you had one with limted option and had to purchase a full membership just to get it . that turned me off from your site, sorry.

we didn't make a promo for stormrise because we could only create TWO options for this game. those 'limited' options took me the best of 8 hours to create.

FIRST- this game is DX-10 ONLY, which limits the OS that a trainer maker has to have to be able to just RUN the game.

SECOND - the fact that it is VISTA also affects the TOOLS we can use and this game crashes when breakpointed with a debugger (even with PLUGS)

THIRD - this game uses LUA scripting to perform all of it's decision making and variable updating. What does this mean? This means that ALL variables and data are routed through TWO code locations ONLY. THOUSANDS of variables run through these code sections every couple milliseconds. Divining out the HEALTH or POWER or whatever of the PLAYER ONLY vs. the thousands of other variables running through that code section is a nightmare. If you've never made a trainer then you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

why am i going into all of this? basically you won't see any other trainers other than OURS for this game, because nobody is going to screw with this game for 8 hours, dealing with crashes and dead ends over and over trying to make options for a VISTA only game. i don't often try to boost myself like this, but this trainer is a F'ing accomplishment. we have way too much other work for me to try and put 8 to 12 more hours into this mildly popular game just so i can *maybe* find a way to do more options.

Those two options are quite powerful, by the way, and took alot of creative thinking, skill, and home-made tools I programmed myself to accomplish.

So i take exception to you putting down our 'limited' trainer and I will go out on a limb and say that I doubt we see any other trainers for that game (unless someone looks at my code and tries to copy it). There's good reasons why some trainers have limited options. That doesn't mean they didn't take skill and alot of work to create them-

good luck finding another trainer for that game. By the way, a subscription to our site enables you to download ALL the members only trainers, but you know that already...

best,
Cal

[Joe Forster/STA]

Originally Posted by Jacardis

i have been to your site and was disapointed i been looking for a trainer that coincided with a game im very fond of stormrise. but when i saw you had one with limted option and had to purchase a full membership just to get it . that turned me off from your site, sorry.

You don't pay for this or that trainer; you pay the creators for coding stuff all the time and then get all trainers for free. See how different it is from another point of view?

Yeah, my grandma - if she was still living - might have wanted whatever operating system and applications only to read/write simple documents and E-mails and surf the Web. For that purpose, Windows and M$ Office would be way too expensive. However, if she had bought them for the heck of it, she might have found out that they offer a lot more than she had thought of. So they may turn out to be a good purchase, after all.

[apache-yesitisme]

Originally Posted by Caliber

I will go out on a limb and say that I doubt we see any other trainers for that game (unless someone looks at my code and tries to copy it).
best,
Cal

OMFG! what are you like lol , your way too paranoid
anyway was not the end means of this thread to seek a resolve for cheathappens problem of people allegedly ripping certain trainers? how about requiring members legit home address and isp base? dna fingerprints and first born child as collateral or not releasing ANY full trainers to the public domain then i guess u have some kind of software legal protection??? or maybe more legal clout but then again proving somebody is stealing code would be difficult i guess
besides from what i have read on here(this thread) caliber, ch is doing better then ever? so is this 'stealing' really damaging your site? or is this and other similar thread giving cheathappens.com unprecedented free publicity
Now chris iam not deflaming cheathappens btw i have actually been in the same dilemma and i couldnt think of a solution

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hmmm, fingerprints are well possible in a software...

If you have a strong secondary PC and lots of space on your web server, you could create user-specific versions of all downloads. In a very simplified version, you hide a redundant "MOV EAX, user_id" in a well-defined place of the code - I mean, 1) assemble "MOV EAX, 0" into the common version, 2) patch into it the user_id for each user-specific version and 3) compress/encrypt only afterwards. If your web server is strong and you don't have that many downloads, it could be done on-the-fly by the web server instead.

Then, if you see your code being ripped off and that code contains the hidden fingerprint, you'll be able to find out which user on your site stole it (or leaked it to the thief). This assumes, of course, that A) the thief is not smart enough to find the fingerprint and/or B) the ripped off code is sophisticated enough for such a fingerprint to stay well hidden in it (it does not become obvious that that particular instruction is not needed for the functionality) and C) the thief does not have access to two (or more) user-specific versions that - after decompression and decrypting - only differ in the fingerprint.

Wanna attend a polymorphic virus coding course?

[...] Or another simple example, taken from SecuROM. Whenever using constants, use "MOV EAX, (value XOR user_id XOR random_value); XOR EAX, (user_id XOR random_value)" instead of a plain "MOV EAX, value". Because of the randomness of the actual values, the user_id won't be seen anywhere "naked" but you, the author knowing the random_value for at least one such tricky assignment, can easily find out. Yes, this can be unwinded, but, when sophisticated enough, only with lots of struggles and "visual debugging" (watch the code in a disassembler and find out in your head what it does) becomes extremely annoying, too.

[self]

i just see:

- another nice PR action from shithappens.

kelsat maybe rip trainer options, that suxx true. But he had some(really rare) good moments too. see his hawx trainer.

i dont like that they (CH) claim be a seriuos business, but on the same breath they spread their promo trainers on webpages which hold , in most countries in the world, 'illegal' content (g_bw,gcw etc.).

if gcw ban kelsat trainer then they should ban the promo trainers too. nothing against the full trainer from shithappens, i think is promo enuff.
i love gcw coz they hold quality stuff, and not crippled things!

Best Regards

Self.fish

[DABhand]

That whole post you made needs a slap into reality.

And its like a 12 year old on his mobile wrote the whole thing.

But the Best Regards kinda makes it easier to figure out who wrote it :P

[Caliber]

the point of this thread was to describe an intolerable situation where a site that we partner with is hosting content that uses stolen code locations / solutions from our work at CH. we were giving a head's up as to why we choose not to partner with GCW any longer due to this situation. it's not really a problem for us so much as it is a problem for GCW who is chosing to host content that has been ripped from our trainers, which in turn we cannot support them by sending more of our trainers (not just the PROMOS, people!) for them to post here. so they can now host the few kelsat, unsupported WAREZ trainer versions (which are mostly copies of our CH trainers) instead of our 40 or more trainers that we sent here each month (not uncluding the PROMOS). it's that simple-

[Chalirum]

Good job admins, you can bend all the way, now there is no reason to get trainers from GCW, just go to CH and skip the middleman.

BTW Youtube, google, myspace and a gazzilion other pages all are free, all have tons of people working day and night on them. CH is pathetic.

[TwwIX]

You are pathetic. You just got your panties in a bunch because the guy uploads and offers his trainers for free. Cheathappens.com is nothing but a ripoff. You people use illegally downloaded games to make your trainers.
You have already several trainers out for games that aren't even out yet. You are a bunch of hypocrites! The Godfather 2 isn't even out yet but somehow you managed to release a trainer for the full game. Keep your piss poor excuses to yourself. Anybody gullible enough to pay a subscription to a bunch of pirating pricks is a fucking moron. I have reported you to EA and their affiliates for modifying their games files and charging for it.
It just a matter of time till you get shut down.

[Chalirum]

Ch says: "We've been in this industry for over 60 years so we've had quite a bit of time to build relationships. We get games for free weeks before the premiere, because EA loves us." or smth along those lines.

That's a weird excuse since magically their trainer works with the scene's crack.

[TippeX]

well if they do make such a statement then its quite easy to find out.. because there is something interesting about the godfather 2 release....

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by TwwIX

You are pathetic. You just got your panties in a bunch because the guy uploads and offers his trainers for free. Cheathappens.com is nothing but a ripoff. You people use illegally downloaded games to make your trainers.
You have already several trainers out for games that even out yet. You are a bunch of hypocrites! The Godfather 2 isn't even out yet but somehow you managed to release a trainer for the full game. Keep your piss poor excuses to yourself. Anybody gullible enough to pay a subscription to a bunch of pirating pricks is a fucking moron. I have reported you to EA and their affiliates modifying their games files and charging for it.
It just a matter of time till you get shut down.

Wow what an Idiot, do you charge your boss for working?

Yes welcome to real life.

If Caliber sits for hours and hours searching the coding of a game to bring people options to make a quality trainer and if he wants to work for someone who gives them out to paying customers, be it a yearly or lifetime subscription to access as many trainers as they want (during the year if yearly), and updated trainers for updated games, then so be it. Just like its your choice to volunteer your work to someone or make them pay for it. So who is the hypocrit now.

And mouthing off obscenities doesnt make you stronger or clever, it makes you look well less of a person. Its not illegal to make trainers and/or sell your own, so I think you should read up more on that side of the law as you have been reading the propaganda on gamefaqs again havent we, were the masses of warez users amass and complain and cry that quality trainers are not free of which they are all used to.

But if your going to complain and whine and swear, join the queue at gamefaqs im sure they will be happy to have you there.

[DABhand]

As Pwiz said, thats how GF2 got out early as someone who works for a magazine etc leaked it.