S.T.A.L.K.E.R 1.0004 trainer

[Synaesthesia]

@Caliber: Some people claim that a trainer made for the ORIGINAL version of the game (original SecuROM or w.e. executable) won't work with a cracked .exe I know it sounds retarded - was trying to clarify the issue.

If you wanted to be a gamer all your life, you would've bought games due to liking the brand and wanting more entertainment. Once you hop over to coding/programming/memory raping, it's all over (well, you got Adventure games left; oh, and online games)

[0rth0doX]

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[Joe Forster/STA]

Aren't you supposed to NOT re-distribute trainers downloaded from www.cheathappens.com?!

[0rth0doX]

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[DABhand]

If its not public then remove the link....

We dont support thieves here.

[Grumpy]

@0rth0doX

Do NOT post any Cheathappens trainers until after the Public Release dates!

[Synaesthesia]

Lol. He posted a premium trainer? OMG, HANG HIM <- sarcasm...

In some trainers there is an option - "Reduce money funds to 0 - (needed in some parts of the game)". In which parts of the game is that useful and why?

STALKER has several endings (7 if I'm not mistaking) among which one of them is judged based on the amount of money you have...

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Synaesthesia

Lol. He posted a premium trainer? OMG, HANG HIM <- sarcasm...

I can now see why Sheep doesnt like you much.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Originally Posted by Synaesthesia

STALKER has several endings (7 if I'm not mistaking) among which one of them is judged based on the amount of money you have...

... and those are all false endings. Hint: Your adventure is not supposed to end at the Wish Granter. (Damn, those calls made the hair stand on my back; the greatest atmosphere in a shooter for the last few years - at least, for me... )

[Synaesthesia]

Same here, Joe. Same here Loved it and finished it twice for the sake of finding those damned rare weapons.

@DABhand: Sure you do People work on something, they waste time and effort, then they sell it. Their choice. Say I am spending 20$ on premium and (since it's my SPENT money) I decide to share it with the world. Any objections? Also, no one has to impose how the "scene" works. So - if you plan on making a trainer - don't brag you got the rarest, most unique options. We already see it and judge it, plus where's the fun in playing the damn game? To be honest, I like simple trainers that give you enough to enjoy what you're playing. Again, that's debatable...

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by Synaesthesia

Say I am spending 20$ on premium and (since it's my SPENT money) I decide to share it with the world. Any objections?

that's just moronic. try that with your cd's and dvd's that you paid 20 dollars for..... i suppose you would call the artists who made that work wasted time and effort there too? at any rate, you spent 20 bucks on that cd or dvd but it is most definitely illegal to share it with others (i.e make copies for others to have). no matter how you slice it, the members agreed to the terms on the website and the material is not to be shared, period. obviously warner brothers can't go after every immoral person that copies their movies and cd's, just as we cannot chase every person down that does this with our work. any objections? certainly! imagine if you wrote a book and somebody copied and sold it themselves or "shared" it with the world so that you could not get fairly compensated for your effort.

blah, i am preaching to the devil's choir here.... some souls can never be reached-

best,
Cal

[Synaesthesia]

Haha. The horror... Well, moronic or not, we all know how hypocrisy works. Same people that speak so boldly about paying money for the games are the same ones downloading them illegally from Internet (maybe you don't download everything, but you sure do). What for? Let's call it the need to be ahead of others. Want to be the first(?), download the game, train it, then brag how mighty you are - hey, you released a trainer before the game got out for sale. Then come to some random forums and preach how immoral it is to even think at the idea of sharing bought content

Why do I always have the feeling I'm watched like a "traitor"? People need to stop being so paranoid. This is discussed everywhere - so why does it always have to light a fire wherever it's debated?

The solution - if you care about people leaking content, why not take all the necessary measures to prevent it (web-based logging services work wonders). Think at CheatHappens, they have a site, they got room for a database. Sell the trainer with a personalized ID, which the buyer needs using only once - when he starts the trainer the first time. That way no one can use it without knowing the details. Say that also gets leaked, and people get to use those details (user name, serial etc...). Next step, hardware ID. All ends...

But no, everyone wants it so simple. Besides, trainer gets public within 2 weeks or 1 month (regarding CH). What I love the most is the approach gamehacking.co.uk took - sure, we give you trainers with limited options. You want the full package(?), get premium Smart way to deal with it I might add. Again, not so secure, but yeah - that's what we got forums for - trainer makers come cry some idiot stole their work and is now using it to get (WHAT?) virtual fame. Heh, as you said, Cal - preaching to devil's choir...

Ta ta...

[DABhand]

Your contridicting yourself, as said you buy copyrighted work its not upto you to share it. Period. No matter how many ideas you may think up to combat it.

[Synaesthesia]

Sure I am. From where you're standing, it's a matter of choice - should I join the few and smart or the many and dumb? Guess you know the answer. Trainer makers rely on people's lack of knowledge to sell their stuff. As long as you remain a gamer and don't whine, it's all good. They're happy. Once someone starts tampering with their work (e.g.: take the bioshock trainer, run it and save gc.dll; open it in IDA and make an asm of it - you got an engine...), they start bitching. Knowledge to code a trainer, knowledge to use a trainer, knowledge to reverse it through own means...

P.S.: Someone is going to cast spells on me when reading this post. Anyway, sorry for the long off-topic. I'll stick to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. from now on

[DABhand]

Tell you what you go work, and then ill syphon your bank account while you do so. Since its only a small group and smart enough to do that. But you wont complain that I do that?

Your view is limited on this.

Now if its a public trainer, and you reversed it to update it with a game update its not so bad. Annoying yes as you didnt spend much time as the original author. But at least you didnt take anything away from the person.

Now a trainer that requires a subscription, reversing and releasing under your name is bad. Then you have people who get it and just release it without reversing is equally bad. Ultimately you are snatching potential money from them.

So why shouldnt someone who has sat through tonnes of anti-debugging code,DMA etc be able to earn from their hardwork. Its not easy especially with the newer games that come out.

Now I know its you Sunbeam, there is no denying that, but you know the people who are involved with training games, most of which would hate people stealing the code injections etc they have took time to do. Sure we all have fights among us from time to time and dont agree with each other, but how many actually go out and do that to others they know.

I cant imagine Poizn going out nicking Whitey's coding, its just not on, also I cant imagine Poizn going out and distributing a trainer Whitey did that requires a sub. Again its just not on. All that would achieve is Poizn alienating himself from the community. And yes im sure it has happened in the past between groups, but not by very much, hardly infact.

And with your views and ideas that its fine to do all this, you will alienate yourself and any sites you hang about on.

And also be careful with the accusation of software theft you did earlier in the thread. You really dont know a person to make that comment. At this moment I view Caliber as a more reliable and trustworthy person than yourself, and would be pleased to call him a friend. To not know him, or him say he downloads games at all, its a bit of a nerve to say he does. Are you going to suggest I do the same.

I mean I own my own biz I get software cheap through wholesalers.

Anyways im miffed now, im gonna go watch TV or something.