S.T.A.L.K.E.R 1.0004 trainer

[mschol]

anyone who has a working trainer for S.T.A.L.K.E.R v1.0004

the link on gamecopyworld for a 4+ trainer is dead

i probably like the one on cheathappens, but i'll never pay for something like a trainer.

[DABhand]

And you wont get it here either until it goes public.

But then people like you wont pay for anyones hard work would you.

[Joe Forster/STA]

The original poster didn't insult the site, the trainer or the policy of having to pay for the full releases. Therefore, I don't think there's any problem with him expressing his right NOT to like to pay for trainers. Yes, I prefer free software, too (both getting and releasing).

[mschol]

Originally Posted by DABhand

And you wont get it here either until it goes public.

But then people like you wont pay for anyones hard work would you.

thats not true..

running @ a legally owned Windows Vista ultimate & Office 2007 enterprise edition

so yeah i buy software but asking money for a trainer is just a lame action and absolutely NOT done imho

[DABhand]

Why not, so people like me just have to sit and go through sometimes hours of code just to get your precious god mode.

Well you best get used to the fact trainer makers are requiring money these days, as they are the most unappreciated people on the net, hardly any thanks and huge criticism because a trainer doesnt have this or that option/s.

I know a few of the best of the biz out there who are now doing it for money, simple reason it puts food on the table and pays bills.

But then again if you dont think its on, you can always learn to do your own, at least I gave tuts for free to learn basic stuff that should get you by. So you cant complain at that.

EDIT: At no time did I say you were using warez versions of anything. So dont bring that excuse into the thread. I was talking about paying for someones hard work, not software.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

The original poster didn't insult the site, the trainer or the policy of having to pay for the full releases. Therefore, I don't think there's any problem with him expressing his right NOT to like to pay for trainers. Yes, I prefer free software, too (both getting and releasing).

He did hint on his last sentence Joe have a re-read.

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by mschol

thats not true..

running @ a legally owned Windows Vista ultimate & Office 2007 enterprise edition

so yeah i buy software but asking money for a trainer is just a lame action and absolutely NOT done imho

first of all, thanks dab for your kind comments. thank god there are some people out there who have experienced the (sometimes) hell while going through the game code and reversing out all these options we add to the trainers for these games. and the games are getting worse and worse.... some don't let you attach a debugger to them, others crash when breakpointing, and some games in vista detect any changes to the code while running and then crash out.... finding ways around the protection has become a secondary battle in and of itself...

at any rate, we post this info in many areas but here's something to consider:

I don't think that people realize the time, effort and money that goes into making these trainers for virtually every game that comes out, and then updating those trainers multiple times when new patches are published.

1. We must buy the game on the release date. Sometimes this might involve buying multiple copies from different sources (ie: Steam, D2D) for bigger titles. If we don't have the game, we can't make the trainer...

2. We must play the game through to determine what options to include in the trainer.

3. The game must be debugged so that the options can be traced. Doing this around major copy protection can be very difficult and time consuming in some cases.

4. The options must be play-tested to make sure they work properly and for the player only (not the enemy or AI). This must often be done on multiple systems with multiple operating systems (Vista, XP, DX9, DX10, etc).

5. The trainer must be packaged and published, often with built-in links to help and troubleshooting guides, with ReadMe.txt attached for quick help, etc.

6. The programmer must be paid for his services.

We ask for a small membership fee to help cover the time and expenses involved in these processes, and only for a short time until the trainer is released to the public. Please show us this courtesy. If you like the trainers and would like to see more made in the future, help support the site and become a member. Otherwise, please wait patiently for the trainer(s) to become available on the public release date.

Thanks to everyone that helps to support our website. We all appreciate it.

Best,
Caliber

www.cheathappens.com

[Joe Forster/STA]

Well, you see, this site is based on cracks.

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?), and they spend much more time with cracking the game and testing the crack than trainer groups do during the development of a trainer. And they do it for free - at least, for us, it is available without payment. (As there's no such thing as "free" in today's world.)

(As another example, mind you, whole operating systems can be downloaded for free. Of course, these now have significant value in the global economy so they cannot really be compared to "only" trainers...)

So, I beg to differ: software does not NEED to be paid for. As anyone has the right to ask for money for his software, anyone has the right to prefer free software. I understand that the opinion of the second group hurts the feelings of the first group but, well, that's life!

Respect others' opinions, though... "asking money for a trainer is just a lame action" does not show respect so don't write things like this if you want your own opinion to be accepted. Thank you!

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Well, you see, this site is based on cracks.

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?), and they spend much more time with cracking the game and testing the crack than trainer groups do during the development of a trainer. And they do it for free - at least, for us, it is available without payment. (As there's no such thing as "free" in today's world.)

(As another example, mind you, whole operating systems can be downloaded for free. Of course, these now have significant value in the global economy so they cannot really be compared to "only" trainers...)

So, I beg to differ: software does not NEED to be paid for. As anyone has the right to ask for money for his software, anyone has the right to prefer free software. I understand that the opinion of the second group hurts the feelings of the first group but, well, that's life!

Respect others' opinions, though... "asking money for a trainer is just a lame action" does not show respect so don't write things like this if you want your own opinion to be accepted. Thank you!

cracking the games protections and removing it totally are two different animals but both are necessary in many cases to make trainers or crack a game .exe. don't minimize the time necessary for making a trainer! it isn't always just NOP two bytes address, etc. alas, i don' t want to get into a back and forth with you here joe, because i value the file forums. but yes, people will always go for free if they have the choice between paying or not! i agree with you there 100%!

we disagree and look at things differently and have different feelings on what file forums/ gamecopyworld is about but i do respect your opinion, joe. feelings are not hurt! i was jusk asking for the person to consider all the steps, etc. involved. i too have put tutorials out to help newbs to make get into reversing games, etc. so that people can at least get a taste of what we do. the effort and knowledge required to release cracked .exe's, .dll's, etc. is no joke either and i respect that efforts those individuals put into it. it would be rather difficult for razor or fairlight to start selling these over the net, though, would it not, since it removes completely and permanently the protections that were put into the games by the game publishers? but i admit that it requires effort, knowledge, and money to make these cracked .exe's and often thankless work with not much in return.

thanks for the interesting discussion!

best,
Cal

[Synaesthesia]

Cracked game and original game have identical characteristics. Unless we're talking about 2 different versions of the same game...

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by Synaesthesia

Cracked game and original game have identical characteristics. Unless we're talking about 2 different versions of the same game...

what are you talking about? this makes no sense at all-

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?),

[snip]...

not totally true, some groups get the file given to them from other sources, those sources may have paid for the games sure... but then that leads to the other question... if the cracker groups do buy the game, is the money from their own personal salaries from their job etc..?... unfortunately 9/10 times the answer is no.. their money for the game payment comes from their 'not very nice' private(ish) scene activities.. selling leech slots and such...

The scene is a murky place, scratch the surface and all the skeletons come floating to the top...

[DABhand]

Shhhh not the skeletons!

[0rth0doX]

In some trainers there is an option - "Reduce money funds to 0 - (needed in some parts of the game)". In which parts of the game is that useful and why?

[DABhand]

Errr read the .nfo file and it might tell you.