GLH........please read.......graphics card stuff

[rekoal]

in an other topic you said you have a ge6800 le. well so do i, i also play BF2. im asking what settings you play it on? with desent FPS? also have your tried overclocking and what success?

many thanks

rekoal

[GLH]

I never overclock any part of my PC. If i want a faster CPU or a faster Graphiccard, i buy it.

My Battlefield 2 graphic settings are:
Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz (on a BenQ TFT-Monitor 17")
Quality: High
Terrain: High
Effects: High
Geometry: High
Textures: High
Lighting: Normal
Dynamic Shadows: Normal
Dynamic Light: Normal
AntiAliassing: Off
Texturesfilter: High
Viewrange: 100%

I have a AMD64 3500+ with 1GByte Corsair DualChannel Ram.

[Grumpy]

@GLH
Are those the settings you use for 'Online' play or for Single player? Do you use the same settings you use for single play for Online play?

[kosmiq]

Are you using AGP or PCI-e version of the 6800LE?
If it is the AGP version you could unlock the locked pipes and get much better performance. Similar to 6800GT, and then overclock to 6800U....

But you just buy if you need faster right? :P

[rekoal]

ok GHL what are the graphics like at the resolution? i think i might have to try it

my card is AGP, and yes i have unlocked the 4 more piplines and 1 more vertex shader to a success!

i play BF2 all on medium and at x960 resolution, i think i may have to try your settings now!

also GHL what are your clock speeds?

many thanks again

rekoal

also my system specs:

3.2HT P4
1.5gb ram
ge6800le

[GLH]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@GLH
Are those the settings you use for 'Online' play or for Single player? Do you use the same settings you use for single play for Online play?

I use these settings for online & single-player.

[GLH]

Originally Posted by kosmiq

Are you using AGP or PCI-e version of the 6800LE?
If it is the AGP version you could unlock the locked pipes and get much better performance. Similar to 6800GT, and then overclock to 6800U....

But you just buy if you need faster right? :P

I have the AGP version of the 6800LE. I've heard about the toll RivaTuner, but i don't like to make experiments to a well running system.

[GLH]

Originally Posted by rekoal

what are the graphics like at the resolution?

The graphics are good (enough) for me.

Originally Posted by rekoal

i play ... at x960 resolution

I can't choose the 1280x1024 resolution.
The highest available resolution on my system is 1152x864.
I don't know why 1280x1024 isn't available.

Originally Posted by rekoal

also GHL what are your clock speeds?

I don't know where i can get the values from.
I have the tool Everest HomeEdition V2.01 installed, but can't find clocks speeds.

[kosmiq]

RivaTuner is for sissies, real hardware modification (solder) is the only way to go. Gives higher success rate and works better.

rekoal is talking about 1280x960 which is the correct resolution (1280x1024 is NOT a correct 4:3 resolution). Your TFT monitor might not be able to handle any higher resolution than 1152x864 because of the TFT limitations. Any TFT monitor is made for a resolution and will give incorrect output if used with another. That is because of the relation between pixels and pixel resolution on the screen.
This means that if your TFT is made for 1024x768 that is the resolution to use. Guess why I newer bought one... 1600x1200 is minimum for me, going below that will kill me. To get 1600x1200 on a TFT I need one larger than 20" and that will cause 2 things: high price and high MS.

To check clockspeeds get Coolbits for nVidia Drivers or download any tweaking utility for your graphics card. Like RivaTuner or similar. That will give you the info you need.

[GLH]

@kosmiq:
My WinXP Desktop is set to 1280x1024 !!!

@rekoal:
I used RivaTuner:
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV40 revision A1 (8x1,4vp)
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 0042 (ROM strapped to 0042)
$0100000002 Memory bus : 256-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 06)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 131072KB
$0100000005 Core clock : 299.250MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 351.000MHz (702.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz
$010000000b HW masked units : pixel 0101b, vertex 101000b

[DABhand]

Yep 1280x1024 is correct aspect resolution.

And yes it depends on the TFT monitor/SVGA monitor if it can handle bigger resolutions.

And no I dont think its cool to overclock, time you do it, you have damaged hardware at the end. Then you have to go out and buy a new card.

If you want better and faster buy a new card its that simple, instead of ruining your hardware.

And then the fav of some overclockers, to try and sell the hardware to other people to make money back. I find these people to be amongst the scum of the earth alongside MP cheats.

/my 2 cents

[kosmiq]

If your desktop can handle it its very strange BF2 won't allow it... :-\
1280x1024 is not a correct aspect ratio when using a standard 4:3 monitor. Not that I am to complain about this, I have used it myself but I know for fact that it is not a correct aspect ratio when using 4:3.

I can't see your problem with overclocking. If proper cooling is used when overclocking there is no more chance that the hardware will be damaged. Common sense is of course good to. Still if you overclock your CPU the PC will shut down if it gets to hot, any graphics card will give you graphical errors and thus warn you, memory will warn you aswell.
There might be a problem in the long term but come on, like anyone cares if the CPU lives 6months less when it will live 10 years anyway? Will anyone use an Athlon XP in 10 years? Nope. I have overclocked many of my parts to the absolute limit and I have never had any failure. My old 333Mhz P2 running at 550MHz is still going strong after many years. Heck even my old P1 120 @ 160Mhz is still working without probs.
I think that many of you have read a lot of sh*t when it comes to this subject.
Also why buy a new CPU for 300$ when you might aswell overclock your current and get the same speed? Or why buy the most expensive single core A64 when you can get a lower speed for 150$ less and still achieve the same speeds?

Also to inform you about something, my current Athlon XP 1700+ is actually produced as a 2800+ but rebranded in order to meet the markets request. How do I know that? The CPU's serial number. Would the fact that it can handle 2800+ but is labeled only as a 1700+ stop me from overclocking to 2800+? Nope.
Please go read something real about overclocking and get into the subject before posting about it.
No offense but you do not seem to know the whole story about overclocking.
Please don't get mad now...

What do you mean with selling overclocked? Do you mean buy an A64 3000+ with m/b, overclock to 3500+ and take money for 3500? Or buying a 6800LE, unlock the pipes, flash the bios and sell it as a 6800GT/Ultra. If that is the case I am with you.
But if you mean sell parts that have been overclocked, but still gets sold as the original deal (3000+ for example) I see no problem. Or selling that 6800LE as an 6800LE is fine too.

edit:
If you still do not agree with the aspect ratio read this:
http://www.hitmill.com/html/screen.html
Especially this part:

The more common resolutions having a 4:3 aspect ratio are: 800 by 600, 1024 by 768, 1152 by 864, 1600 by 1200 pixels.

Resolution settings with a 5:4 aspect ratio are 1280 by 1024 pixels, and 1600 by 1280 pixels. These resolutions should not be set for monitors having a 4:3 aspect ratio. The display will be distorted. Use the 5:4 aspect ratio resolution settings when using monitors also having a 5:4 aspect ratio.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Even in the 486DX times, all kinds of CPU's were manufactured and the not-so-reliable ones were restamped to and sold at a lower clock speed or with some other restriction (in the particular case of the 486DX, the FPU was disabled). The stress is on not being reliable at the higher clock speed!

If you have a PC hardware shop - or know someone there - and you can pick out and test several CPU's (of the same nominal rating and, therefore, price) then, yes, overclocking may work. But, even then, you have to be careful about setting the FSB, PCI clock, voltages in the BIOS correctly and getting a powerful, good brand PSU and cooling system.

What does this boil down to? That newbies shouldn't overclock their stuff with some freely available software because it simply won't work. Not only it will burn out soon - perhaps, sooner than just half a year! - but it will work unreliably even during that short period of time. I don't think there's anything false in that statement...

[kosmiq]

Overclocking for me is and has always been to get into the subject, read and understand what it is all about. If someone does that and then tries very little can go wrong.

Whenever I order a CPU from the net I tell what series of CPU I want and the exact production number. Its a little special store here in sweden...
Most modern hardware will not fail due to overclocking. Settings a high voltage will give a high temp and thus autoshutdown the system. And anyone with heavy cooling that will manage to cool that already knows what it is all about.
I started with overclocking long before there were 100.000 guides on the net. Self-trained and has still never broken anything.

Lets say you buy a brand new A64 3500+, if it does not overclock well thats about it. It won't break, it won't die. Not now and not later. The only thing that has happened is that you know it can't manage higher speeds.
Still any overclocking is simple to do but you are taking the chances from it. But I still think that in todays modern world of PC's it is something very low-risk. Almost any P4 Northwood core will manage a 600Mhz overclock with standard cooling, very little voltage raising and almost no difference in temp.

[RincewindTheWiz]

Overclocking may not be as difficult or dangerous as most people think it is, but it still has consequences. If the only thing you'd do was changing the frequency/multiplier of say, a cpu, then the only danger would be a non booting pc if you go too far, which can be remedied by simply clearing the cmos settings. However, most overclockers drive up the voltages used to get higher stable speeds and this is when you get extra failures due to overheating and especially a shortened life expectancy for the cpu (due to increased electron migration).

I have encountered examples of people who overclocked their cpus for 2-3 years, and then had a boot failure. The thing is, even when clocked back to the original speed those cpus wouldn't boot anymore, but they would boot if you UNDERclocked them by enough difference. They were "worn out". So there IS a price to pay for overclocking, however since a cpu rapidly loses its value anyway (three years and even the most advanced system won't cut it for games anymore), it might not matter enough if you keep from the truly insane overclocks.

But if you don't feel comfortable overclocking, don't try it. There's no law that says you HAVE to do it