HDloader v HDadvance (FAO lufcfan)

[DJFury]

Can you load games with HDLoader that were installed on the HD using HDAdvance, or do you need to reinstall those games again?

[TylerDurden]

Yes.




Tyler!

[SurfDrifter]

Just a simple question though....
You say that you have to patch the HDLoader.
Doesn't this mean that your obliged to have your PS2 modded, so as to boot the patched (therefore burned on a DVD/CD) HDloader?

Therefore, ppl who want to use their hard disk WITHOUT a mod-chip can only do so, by buying HDadvance 2.0?

I can understand the thing about stealing/ripping, etc. (even thought i cannot dogmatically agree with you, because I don't know the background story behind HDloader and HDAdvance), but shouldn't the team of HDLoader "update" their product to these features, for the ones that don't want to mod their PS2?

If I'm wrong, please explain me. Thank you.

[lufcfan]

Hmm... not really because a C&D order was placed upon HDLoader

[CEOrko]

Just want to mention some things unmentioned so far(and a rehash of one that has been^,^;):

1) HD Advance 2.0 comes with 2 discs, but each has the same software, so essentially if you have to persons with HDDs installed on their PS2s they can both use the software at the same time.

2) The only reason there are two is to allow you to backup burned and import PS2 CD and DVD games without having to install a modchip in the PS2 which which is copying the games. (??? tell me if I am wrong so I can hang myself ^,^;)

3)The HD Advance 2.0 discs already have versions of the updates that can be downloaded separately for HDLoader, eliminating the need to mod your PS2 to install the files as you would have to do with HDLoader.

4)HD Advance 2.0 supports certain (hey, I only know it's true, I'm only using the official Sony HDDs as is) third party HDDs of sizes up to 200GB.

So it might (my uncertainty is a cry for support for either side of the comparison T.T) make sense for the more average gamer to get HD Advance 2.0 for a whole five dollars more as opposed to HDLoader and a mod chip (or a modded PS2 if you have shaky hands :p ) as it would be easier to get started. I have not yet used HDLoader, but I suppose that since it could likely have a wider range of compatible games it has more bang for your buck. Depends on the person's situation. Me, I'm happy that in a week I can test both HDLoader and HD Advance 2.0 against one another, or rather, just use them both. And I expect neither will be a dissapointment. ^^

Oh, and on a more obscure note, but one that may help those looking into purchasing HDLoader or HD Advance, both are unable to copy both layers of dual-layered DVDs. You need to install those games (Champions of Norrath, etc.) by hooking your HDD up to your computer and using your DVD-ROM/RW to install both layers of the game. Directions for this procedure can be found in the HDLoader FAQ located on the compatibility page for HDLoader at:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/casey.m...patibility.htm

Have fun. ^^

Oh, and it seems you can install import and backup PS2 discs by using the same procedure used to install dual-layered DVDs. Just a guess from adding up information seeing as how your DVD-ROMs will ignore region coding checks.

[lufcfan]

It's still a stolen version - and should still be boycotted...

[Warlock]

Originally Posted by lufcfan

It's still a stolen version - and should still be boycotted...

Yeah, I dont see how he gets away with it. Sony came down hard on the original HD loader as well as some modchip and game sites yet Z is allowed to rip off and sell the HD product all over the net and nothings said or done about it.

[lufcfan]

I think there's a bit of, shall we say, back-handing going on...

[snake2]

Originally Posted by CEOrko

Just want to mention some things unmentioned so far(and a rehash of one that has been^,^:

1) HD Advance 2.0 comes with 2 discs, but each has the same software, so essentially if you have to persons with HDDs installed on their PS2s they can both use the software at the same time.

2) The only reason there are two is to allow you to backup burned and import PS2 CD and DVD games without having to install a modchip in the PS2 which which is copying the games. (??? tell me if I am wrong so I can hang myself ^,^

3)The HD Advance 2.0 discs already have versions of the updates that can be downloaded separately for HDLoader, eliminating the need to mod your PS2 to install the files as you would have to do with HDLoader.

4)HD Advance 2.0 supports certain (hey, I only know it's true, I'm only using the official Sony HDDs as is) third party HDDs of sizes up to 200GB.

So it might (my uncertainty is a cry for support for either side of the comparison T.T) make sense for the more average gamer to get HD Advance 2.0 for a whole five dollars more as opposed to HDLoader and a mod chip (or a modded PS2 if you have shaky hands ) as it would be easier to get started. I have not yet used HDLoader, but I suppose that since it could likely have a wider range of compatible games it has more bang for your buck. Depends on the person's situation. Me, I'm happy that in a week I can test both HDLoader and HD Advance 2.0 against one another, or rather, just use them both. And I expect neither will be a dissapointment. ^^

Oh, and on a more obscure note, but one that may help those looking into purchasing HDLoader or HD Advance, both are unable to copy both layers of dual-layered DVDs. You need to install those games (Champions of Norrath, etc.) by hooking your HDD up to your computer and using your DVD-ROM/RW to install both layers of the game. Directions for this procedure can be found in the HDLoader FAQ located on the compatibility page for HDLoader at:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/casey.m...patibility.htm

Have fun. ^^

Oh, and it seems you can install import and backup PS2 discs by using the same procedure used to install dual-layered DVDs. Just a guess from adding up information seeing as how your DVD-ROMs will ignore region coding checks.

1)you can take the disc out of the ps2 to load it on another ps2

2)hang yourself you still need to do the knife swap and that will f**k up your ps2 (and you can do the same thing on hd loader)

3)while you patch hd loader you can put in custom skins

4)hd loader can do the same i use a 250GB hd

i dont give money to bastard that steal code i would gladly spend the $5 on a mod chip

and you can install dvd9 game to hd loader the same way. i have metal gear solid 2 substance on my hd loader and it plays perfect same goes for imports

[lufcfan]

I guess someone needs to do a little more research before posting...

[CEOrko]

Who says posting is not part of the research?

And thanks for taking time to write that user's review on HDLoader. Unfortunately, I have been unsuccessful at finding more equally useful information on either product, minus several scattered compatability lists and FAQs.

[CEOrko]

Originally Posted by snake2

1)you can take the disc out of the ps2 to load it on another ps2

2)hang yourself you still need to do the knife swap and that will f**k up your ps2 (and you can do the same thing on hd loader)

3)while you patch hd loader you can put in custom skins

4)hd loader can do the same i use a 250GB hd

i dont give money to bastard that steal code i would gladly spend the $5 on a mod chip

and you can install dvd9 game to hd loader the same way. i have metal gear solid 2 substance on my hd loader and it plays perfect same goes for imports

1) I was just figuring that you would need the HDLoader/Advance disc in the PS2 to start and run the software. Say, maybe two persons with two PS2s were to wish to run the program at the same time. Insignificant in all, I know...

2) Knife Swap? *shudders* That isn't what it sounds like, is it? Knifing a poor little PS2? That's just not cool. So, with either program you need a modded PS2 to read backup and import game discs, no exception? That would make sense, I wouldn't want to rely on console software to cancel the region check on discs. *starts constructing gallows*

3) But you can avoid having to patch for some recent updates for the HDLoader, can you not? This would be a bit more subtle, as some people would not have a mod-chip in this particular situation. Of course, you will not get as many useful patches that you could downloading them, but some people can just brush that matter aside. What's more is skins were never that vital an add-on for any software, and whether or not you have the original format or a custom one is irrelevant.

4) Could you list or link to a list how to do that? If I can get HDLoader to recognize more than 137GB for a HDD I won't have to use HD Advance 2.0 since it's advantage of larger HDD support would cease. Please?

[CEOrko]

Originally Posted by Warlock

Yeah, I dont see how he gets away with it. Sony came down hard on the original HD loader as well as some modchip and game sites yet Z is allowed to rip off and sell the HD product all over the net and nothings said or done about it.

Meh, I stopped trusting Sony when they started pushing back the release of their PS2 HDD software. Then some months later, poof, they drop HDD support altogether and announce their accursed new slim PS2s. That just burnt. And one can only hope that the PS3 will be somehow compatable with FFXI or else the game will only last a few years after PS3 launches. That is, unless Sony continues manufacturing PS2 models with HDD bays. Otherwise the older PS2 models will slowly start to break down, the well kept ones lasting maybe several years longer, and people will turn to abandoning SE's MMORPG as opposed to continually repairing their PS2s. Damn you Sony! Damn you all to hell!!

...I suppose the threat of having people be able to pirate games without installing mod-chips and voiding their PS2's warranty was a risk Sony didn't want to take, so they acquitted themselves to destroying the company who developed the HDLoader as quickly as possible. Once they had done so, another person just picked up the pieces and put it all back together. So Sony felt that such a thing would merely happen again and again and again and decided to drop future support of the HDD so as to possibly prevent such piracy. When you have a Sony HDD that's mostly empty, I suppose you do question the ability to put entire games on it. Oh well, it can not be helped.

Anyway, thanks for all the feedback on my post, everyone, and sorry about my semi-conspiracy theory rant on Sony and their HDD. I kind of just got carried away.

[CEOrko]

I suppose that Sony is just keeping quiet because they know there's nothing they can ultimately do about videogame piracy that isn't in some way illegal other than building a situation where piracy isn't exactly easy to do, there still is no PS2 HDD only package retailing in a store in the US, and there's a good chance alot of people don't know that the PS2 can support (with the use of existing software) third-party HDDs.

[snake2]

Originally Posted by CEOrko

1) I was just figuring that you would need the HDLoader/Advance disc in the PS2 to start and run the software. Say, maybe two persons with two PS2s were to wish to run the program at the same time. Insignificant in all, I know...

2) Knife Swap? *shudders* That isn't what it sounds like, is it? Knifing a poor little PS2? That's just not cool. So, with either program you need a modded PS2 to read backup and import game discs, no exception? That would make sense, I wouldn't want to rely on console software to cancel the region check on discs. *starts constructing gallows*

3) But you can avoid having to patch for some recent updates for the HDLoader, can you not? This would be a bit more subtle, as some people would not have a mod-chip in this particular situation. Of course, you will not get as many useful patches that you could downloading them, but some people can just brush that matter aside. What's more is skins were never that vital an add-on for any software, and whether or not you have the original format or a custom one is irrelevant.

4) Could you list or link to a list how to do that? If I can get HDLoader to recognize more than 137GB for a HDD I won't have to use HD Advance 2.0 since it's advantage of larger HDD support would cease. Please?

1) once the game is loaded the cd is no longer used

2)yeah knife swap is bad news

3)im sure most people would want to spen the $30 on a mod and patch hd loader themselfs than spend it on an "upgraded" disc

4) Here is where you get the 48bit patch (to use bigger hds) just apply it to the hdl elf file