Get Rid! of ATIP info from CDR Backups

dave_933 · #1 09-03-2003, 01:00

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TippeX · #2 09-03-2003, 01:03

you cant, its physically stored on the cdrom media and yep u guessed it u cant burn to that area.. cos well the burner reads it to say 'oh this cd is blank' etc.. to allow you to burn.. easiest solution : buy a cdrom reader (non burner) unit, and play your burned cd's from that.. there are some programs like the ones in clonecd etc that will 'hide the cdr media' but they're getting blacklisted by the protections so u gotta keep up to date.. and it aint useless protection, as clearly its pissing you off, so its doing its job aint it

dave_933 · #3 09-03-2003, 02:03

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TippeX · #4 09-03-2003, 03:19

you're missing the point.. its only used on burners.. the burners are used to copy the games, and some people run the cdroms in the burner.. atip gets them.. thats why its in the protection.
do you actually know how the atip works?

podunkviller · #5 10-03-2003, 01:28

all burned cd's have atip. its required. otherwise, the drive will not know how to burn the cd.

please know what you are talking about before you start bitching. its really unpleasant to have to tell someone that they are ignorant rather than being a 'noob'.

Bouncer24 · #6 12-03-2003, 18:57

Im sorry for being such a noob but I must ask how ATIP works... I have been following this post but I did not see any one say what it is...

Sorry for being such a bug!

TippeX · #7 12-03-2003, 19:14

atip = Actual Time In PreGroove

its a 'tag' in the cdrom that the burner reads to determine if the cdrom is gold or not.. the tag itself can also distinguish the type of chemical used in the cd etc etc etc.. silver (mass produced) cdroms do NOT have any atip data.. ANY gold cd you buy in the shop WILL have atip data..

podunkviller : i couldnt agree more

Bouncer24 · #8 12-03-2003, 19:18

Thanks

.... i think i get it lol so if i put my burned cd in a writer it will not play it but like in a cd reader it will

i think that is what you are saying ....

thanks though!

new info to my small brain can never hurt

TippeX · #9 12-03-2003, 19:43

yep ... if you burned the cd properly (cloned/alcohol .. whatever) puting the burned cd into a cd-writer unit will result in the atip check returning 'hey im a gold burned cd' to the protection
whereas puting the same burned cd into a cd-reader unit will result in the atip check failing and returning 'hey im a silver.. honest' because all (well all i know of) cd-reader units have no atip mechanism because quite simply, they dont need one as they cant burn

Bouncer24 · #10 12-03-2003, 20:07

sorry for being a bug still, but

when you put it in the cd burner will it come up as good or bad?

when you put it in the cd reader (like a dvd-rom) it will be good or bad?

TippeX · #11 12-03-2003, 20:11

if you put it in the burner (without using anything like the 'hide media type' thing in clonecd for example) then it will fail the copy protection.. this is usually the symptom of the safedisc 2 'please eject and reinsert' the cdrom' message (the usual 'bad message' is 'invalid cdrom' or something), the same disk (if it was a good burn in the first place) will work in the reader unit cos the reader unit has no atip reading capabilities.. dvd reader unit would be the same as a cdrom reader unit.

Bouncer24 · #12 12-03-2003, 20:14

Thank you for all your help TippeX. It was nice for you not to yell at me for being stupid

. Well this has solved what I needed off I go now.
Thanks

podunkviller · #13 12-03-2003, 22:52

the atip contains information on the disc manufacturer, the write speed, the dye type, the laser power needed to write...etc. it is not a copy protection in and of itself - it is just something that every cd-r/w disc has, and the copy protection makers integrated this into their protections, to see if the disc is a cd-r/w or not.

as regular cd-roms dont care about the writing power, they don't have the mmc commands to check for an atip. the first safedisc version to check for this is 2.40. hope that helps

TippeX · #14 13-03-2003, 03:29

podunkviller : actually securom has been doing it long before safedisc did

podunkviller · #15 15-03-2003, 08:30

but i didnt mention that safedisc did it first? securom new was the first to do it, if you want to get anal. however, since safedisc was mentioned in the thread...and securom wasnt

sorry if any of that sounded rude, im just tired.