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Old 30-03-2006, 03:49
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Well said, Grumpy. Let me add a few more things.

I'm quite far from being emotionally stable and I do sometimes make mistakes, even on this forum, but I also see how power corrupts people on every level of society and it makes me very sad. Thus I try to be exactly the opposite: strict but corteous. But corteous only to people who deserve it.

I'd like to ask you all to make a distinction between "newbie" and "lamer". The latter expression might have gone out of style nowadays but that is the one describing properly those people we keep bashing. Newbie is simply a person who's not yet familiar with a particular topic. That's not a problem as none of us has ever been or will ever be omniscient.

Lamer, however, is a person who's not familiar and will never be familiar with pretty much any topic... and why...? because he or she is not willing to learn (mostly on their own, or with a bit of help)! Such people don't deserve much of courtesy, let alone help, especially for free. Let them get back to elementary school and learn how to learn.

Also, use the search feature to see how many posts I have made on this forum. Then use the search feature again to see how many thread I started on this forum which describe the problems I had with my games, software, hardware etc. Now compare the two to see the ratio of A) me helping other people with their problems and B) me asking other people to help me with my problems. Also, for the first time, there's now a FAQ that is supposed to help newbies with solving general problems. May I not expect them to read it before asking, which should not only spare us the trouble of explaining the same things again and again and again and again, but also should spare them some time with getting the answer to (some of? most of? all of?) their questions.

This, by the way, is not a problem with FileForums or, in general, the Internet only. People today don't want to spend their time with solving their own problems; they remain dumb, uninterested and expect others to solve problems for them, as fast and as cheap as possible. (I have quite a few such people around me and it disgusts me more and more!) This is the catastrophe of education and, therefore, the future of mankind. (Damn, I'm getting anti-messianistic again... )

[Edit] Well, recently I was told that the number of lamers doesn't increase, they just get more exposed with the introduction of the "information highway"... Dunno...
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Old 30-03-2006, 10:20
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@ Grumpy - Thats some accusation and exactly the kind of response I expected from you. I was actually testing the water and the unhelpful git remark was made tongue in cheek . You personally have helped me with issues regarding games and for that I am grateful but I havent made any personal jibe at you. Very apt name by the way.

I really couldnt give a rats arse what you think of me and as for your reply, well, considering youre a moderator , a little childish dont you think ?

Yes there is all the information required to browse this site and maybe questions shouldnt be asked by the newbies. I just feel that the way some of you guys reply is a little harsh is all.

Same goes to you Joe Forster, you get right up my nose to be truthful and it's plain to see how many posts you have made, you obviously have nothing better to do than reply to threads and be rude to people. Infact, I dont know why im even wasting my time replying to this pitiful tripe.

Peeps that visit this site for the most part want help backing up a game they own ( ok so a few will have illegal downloaded copies ) not a response such as " use the search button " or " dont you read the rules?".

My point being, you guys that seem to spend so much time moderating may like to spend a little time responding in a less rude fashion.

Grumpy, keep up the good work with the cd-DVD conversions and Joe, please lighten up a touch otherwise I'll have to start calling you the headmaster !
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Had you been around for like 7-8 years, you'd know how many lamers have always been coming here; you'd know how annoying it is to see the same questions and rule-breaking posts again and again; you'd see how hard to it to maintain order without being strict and telling lamers to behave themselves upon sight.

Probably, you're the "let the child do whatever he or she wants" kind of (would-be) parent. I'm certainly not. Now imagine you have a couple of thousand children. Whose strategy is going to work? Also, if you think we with Grumpy are not the right persons for this "job" (doing it for free, of course), you're questioning the other moderators and administrators, as well, who chose us from among senior members. Also, you might have not noticed but some members - experienced, probably oldsk00l-type people - are not even satisfied with the current rate of banning!

This whole thing boils down to the following question: if someone has a sensible question here, will he or she find the answer in an efficient way which is not only fast but gives no unnecessary burden/trouble to other members? (Remember, your problem is yours, not ours; you don't have the right to expect us to solve it completely for you, as you haven't paid for this service.) If there's a FAQ, he or she needs to read it; that's much more efficient than asking, even for him or her. If there are forum rules, he or she needs to adhere to them so that he or she won't annoy other members with wrong posts.

Members who have useful knowledge, questions and answers - power users; higher in the hierarchy of "usefulness" to the forum and each other - will like order because they can discuss useful topics. Members who just drop in here for a fast (and, mostly, frequently asked) question and expect fast, accurate and detailed answers - newbies or lamers; lower in the hierarchy - shouldn't be allowed to disturb power users. And there's only one way to turn from a newbie into a power user: by learning yourself and making yourself useful to the forum (or, in general: community).
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