Starforce Petition!

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by revolver

IT shouldnt be a problem to anyone be it they own an original or warez

the simple fact is starforce is f**ked it's is an intrusion of your pc as it doesnt ask permission to install it just does it and also only people who
wish to play without dvd or cd will have problems

so it not whether its a warez or orginal thats the problem its those of us who want to play without a dvd or cd that have problems which is nearly everone on this forum

No protection asks, as ive also said before the protection comes with the game, and you agreed to game being installed.


You show me a game where it asked you if you wished to install the protection?

[DUKE_NUKEM]

Dabhand I've never heard of protections compromising the stablity of the OS or even destroying hardware components; the assumption that no protection works with every pc configuration is simply ridiculous, if starforce programmers knew what they are doing they would have imposed to put warnings on packages about compatibility issues.
Remember, I spend money buying games, so I have the right to just put the disc in and play, without the risk of damaging my hardware. Publishers who use SF are losing (mind?) customers after customers and the result is that NOBODY, neither legit nor warez users, will buy their games anymore. Sorry, man, but I don't have time to waste after games, just a little time to play; as a consequence I don't want to spend my days formatting and reinstalling every time I change game.
Just the last thing: SF support is not GLAD to help you, it is OBLIGED to help you cause you are just one of them who have the patience (time to waste?) to try all possibilities to make a game work; I just don't have it: shame on me.
But SF programmers are just bastards, like warez kiddies they claim to fight again.

[Muji-FightR]

@ Dab Hand (which i guess is the real meaning ?)

If you talk about a new executable, do you talk about an executable without copy protection or just a fixed one?
but i wonder
a) why you wouldnt upload it, guess you would do that
and b) why this didnt come with a patch for the game (whatever this might be)

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by muJi.fiGHt3r

@ Dab Hand (which i guess is the real meaning ?)

If you talk about a new executable, do you talk about an executable without copy protection or just a fixed one?
but i wonder
a) why you wouldnt upload it, guess you would do that
and b) why this didnt come with a patch for the game (whatever this might be)

Protection was still intact, but I got to play my game which is the main point

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by DUKE_NUKEM

Dabhand I've never heard of protections compromising the stablity of the OS or even destroying hardware components; the assumption that no protection works with every pc configuration is simply ridiculous, if starforce programmers knew what they are doing they would have imposed to put warnings on packages about compatibility issues.
Remember, I spend money buying games, so I have the right to just put the disc in and play, without the risk of damaging my hardware. Publishers who use SF are losing (mind?) customers after customers and the result is that NOBODY, neither legit nor warez users, will buy their games anymore. Sorry, man, but I don't have time to waste after games, just a little time to play; as a consequence I don't want to spend my days formatting and reinstalling every time I change game.
Just the last thing: SF support is not GLAD to help you, it is OBLIGED to help you cause you are just one of them who have the patience (time to waste?) to try all possibilities to make a game work; I just don't have it: shame on me.
But SF programmers are just bastards, like warez kiddies they claim to fight again.

They do put up warnings in amongst the EULA, which unfortunately most people wont read.

And no I dont have time, I have a business to run


Thing is was all these people who lost drives had new ones that were lost? I know some had that problem. But SF does use the discs heavily to read the topography of a disc, if a drive had problems it could be due to that and while its checking the disc the drive could give up the ghost.

In a way you could say SF benchmark the discs somewhat.


Again, no one company can test their protection on every possible scenario. You could have a PC with a certain piece of software which is harmless but affects SF, if the SF team knew about that piece of software then they probably would have found a fix for it during testing, but if they dont know they cant really forsee the future.

Its the same with all software, no one company can test their product 100% fully. Its practically impossible.

[Joe Forster/STA]

If software is buggy by its nature then why add even more, "redundant" software (i.e. the copy protection) to it, when that "redundant" software is known to be based on undocumented or, for other reasons, not completely reliable system functions or heuristics and, therefore, is also known to cause even more problems? (I think I'm counter-proving your statement with your own arguments...)

[DUKE_NUKEM]

Easy to place a thousand warnings in the EULA, when the user have already thrown his money away. Too easy.
Thieves. That's what they are. Just like warez kiddies.
And, of course no, they can't check every possible configuration. But their "heavy disc checking" seems to be harmful to ALL drives, either they are in good health or not.
I wish I could see a package with the warning "The heavy disc checking necessary to start this game could potentially damage your CD\DVD drive. The drivers contained in this software could be unpossible to remove and cause problems to your OS. Remember to format afte playing and possibly to buy a new drive". But I still can't see anything of this. So, who is stealing now?!?

[thebluegr]

And, of course no, they can't check every possible configuration. But their "heavy disc checking" seems to be harmful to ALL drives, either they are in good health or not.

Totally agree with this

[revolver]

yeah i agree with that when i frist but my pc i bought an sf game and it screw my new drive within a week

just as well i had my warrenty or i would have had to shell out 20 quid or more for a new one