Daemon Tools 4

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by hyakkii

Its funny though how everyones pc runs fine without starforce installed.
I'm not against cd protection at all but when it goes this far where it can effect the performace and integrity of my pc thats a no-no i dont care if its the best game in the world i still wouldn't buy it or even play the demo.

I am against warez very much so (matter of fact i work for an organization that helps stop it) but i am still for no-cd and backups since thats what the law entitles you to starforce prevents this in turn breaking the law.

The Law does NOT say you can backup everything when you like..


It says you CAN backup when PERMISSION is given from the author/publisher.


If you backup a game that the publisher did not give consent to, you are then breaking the law.


And it doesnt matter what country your in, its the owners right to allow you to have a backup or not, it is them who say if you can or not, not the government.

[wildwing]

HOLY
DT4 is best **** ever
maybe DT4 pro will be better!

looks like SFcure cuz same ****.. disable cd/unplug drivers ect

[hyakkii]

U.S. Copyright laws allow you to make one backup copy of software you own. However, that backup copy is "tied" to your original. If you sell or give away your original software, you must destroy your backup copy or package it with the orignal when you sell or give it away. Likewise, you may not sell or give away your backup copy without the original.
Of course, with the advent of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), breaking the copyright protection on a piece of software you own has been made a crime in many cases, so if the software you are backing up implements copyright protection, it may also be illegal.

also the law US Code collection :P http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...7----000-.html

but again these are us laws im sure it varies greatly country to country

it says no where you need the software creators permission to make a archival backup it might differ if it was in the eula. but almost every game's eula would never hold up in court

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by hyakkii

U.S. Copyright laws allow you to make one backup copy of software you own. However, that backup copy is "tied" to your original. If you sell or give away your original software, you must destroy your backup copy or package it with the orignal when you sell or give it away. Likewise, you may not sell or give away your backup copy without the original.
Of course, with the advent of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), breaking the copyright protection on a piece of software you own has been made a crime in many cases, so if the software you are backing up implements copyright protection, it may also be illegal.

also the law US Code collection :P http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...7----000-.html

but again these are us laws im sure it varies greatly country to country

it says no where you need the software creators permission to make a archival backup it might differ if it was in the eula. but almost every game's eula would never hold up in court

It doesnt say that, it says you can make a backup if you have a contract to do so, just buying a game doesnt give you this contract, if stated in the EULA or in other print that the publisher allows you to backup the software then its fine, if they do not give you any permission you cannot.

[Joe Forster/STA]

@hyakkii: Don't bother, DABhand just doesn't grasp the fact that a country's own laws have higher priority than the EULA which is just a contract between two people/companies. [Edit: See http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=70244#post279673 ]

[crypto6600]

I don't know about us laws or any other laws to be honest :P but there is AN INTERVIEW with some geek female from Starforce team on the Firing Squad website , and they asked her alot about the damned hardware crap
and she said that in some earlier versions and some other versions there was some conflicts between thier protection driver and some USB devices , causing them to malfunction .

Another benchmark on some tomshardware forum ( i will get the link later ) shows that starforce games tend to be slower in terms of fps, cuz Someone there think that the starforce protection service is running while the game is running as well ,, taking some memory and cpu usage .

I am not sure of the later , but I am sure of the first one , my Nokia MMC card reader ( Nokia 6680 ) WAS NOT getting detected in windows , until I Uninstalled SF . and I am not a computer newbie or anything here just flamin the hell out of starforce, actualy it's a 2 Headed weapon , it's very hard to crack ( I guess so ) and it really makes legal users in PAIN .

but I am glad that EA / UBi / Valve and ID are not tending to use such technologies .. YET .

[dajunka]

Here's a wierd one. I installed Deamon tools 4 and got X3 to work great first time from a image without unplugging any drives or using any tools. But when I tried the same on my other computer, it dident work, yet both systems are practicly the same. What ever is stopping my other computer must be something simple, but what?

[prollfin]

I guess, and I read it somewhere on these forums: someone was asking if he had to remove Alcohol to make it work. The thread starter answered that he never had it installed but was going to try it with Alcohol installed. After he had Alcohol installed, it didn't work anymore. Even not after removing it again. So maybe you have or had Alcohol installed on the second machine?

[crypto6600]

good so i am not alone :P DT4 does work for me without unplugging !

[dajunka]

Originally Posted by prollfin

I guess, and I read it somewhere on these forums: someone was asking if he had to remove Alcohol to make it work. The thread starter answered that he never had it installed but was going to try it with Alcohol installed. After he had Alcohol installed, it didn't work anymore. Even not after removing it again. So maybe you have or had Alcohol installed on the second machine?

That's it I bet. I had Alcohol 120 installed on my other computer, but not on this one. Now if I can only find the poxy Alcohol file or reg entry thats stopping X3 from playing. Someone somewhere must know. If that's all it is I bet you can play any SF game using DT4.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

@hyakkii: Don't bother, DABhand just doesn't grasp the fact that a country's own laws have higher priority than the EULA which is just a contract between two people/companies. [Edit: See http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=70244#post279673 ]

A country's own Law can not and never will overpower the owner/s instructions.


Lets not go back to your example way back, where in your language it said "contract" which you never did explain to me what your intepretation of the word contract was..


Again no countrys' law will overpower the right for people to protect their possessions and goods, software being amongst this fact.


If a country were to force this onto software publishers/developers, I can assure you they wouldnt want to release software into that country if they are basically allowing their software to be easily copied and distributed.

[leezer3]

Dabhand, this depends on the situation on which the game is in- While the EULA may state that the purchaser agrees to the juridisticion of a certain court, this is most emphatically not the case- To see this, simply have a look at the consumer rights bit at the back of any manual/ EULA- They acknowledge that these differ from country to country, and that they are protected to the maximum extent allowed by national law. Similarly, there have been several cases in the US involving firms who wished to use a juridisticion that was more favourable to them, which have gone against the firms involved.

-Leezer-

[Machina]

Originally Posted by DABhand

A country's own Law can not and never will overpower the owner/s instructions.


Lets not go back to your example way back, where in your language it said "contract" which you never did explain to me what your intepretation of the word contract was..


Again no countrys' law will overpower the right for people to protect their possessions and goods, software being amongst this fact.


If a country were to force this onto software publishers/developers, I can assure you they wouldnt want to release software into that country if they are basically allowing their software to be easily copied and distributed.

You are correct. However, the contract may be void if its against the law. Lets say you sign a legal contract that your left nut is to be cut off if Yankees win next year, and they do. It would still be ILLEGAL for them to cut off your left nut!

[DarkStar782]

Originally Posted by DABhand

A country's own Law can not and never will overpower the owner/s instructions.

Lets not go back to your example way back, where in your language it said "contract" which you never did explain to me what your intepretation of the word contract was..

Again no countrys' law will overpower the right for people to protect their possessions and goods, software being amongst this fact.

If a country were to force this onto software publishers/developers, I can assure you they wouldnt want to release software into that country if they are basically allowing their software to be easily copied and distributed.

Actually, people only have any 'rights' if the government grants them. You have a right to a fair trial because the government says you do. Over in the US you have the right to shoot a burgler because the government says you do. In the UK you goto prison for shooting a burglar (protecting your property?)

Copyright only exists because the governent grants it. It is subject to the conditions the government imposes upon it. I cant see a software company ever leaving out the US's (or anyone elses) 300 million population because 'they might copy it' especially when the US people could buy it overseas and copy it. They gamble that enough people will buy it that it will make money.

Copyright is regulated by the government, and if they say you have the right to a backup copy, the publisher saying 'um yeah we have made up a super duper copyright where you cant back it up and can only run it if you stand on one leg and recite the alphabet backwards' has no legal basis.

However, its arguable that the DCMA prevents you making a backup, as it prohibits you from 'circumventing' a copy protection. Although its arguable that a 1:1 copy leaves the copy protection intact and hasnt circumvented it....

The publishers on the otherhand are under no obligation to ASSIST you in making your legal backup, and are even able to do their best to PREVENT you making such a backup.

[Grumpy]

@Darkstar

especially when the US people could buy it overseas and copy it.

hmm, this is an interesting point?
If someone in the US was to buy drugs from another country, where that drug is legal, would that also make it legal for that person to use that drug in the US, where that drug is illegal? See where I am going with that!
Another example:
Guns are illegal for the average person to own in Australia. If I buy a gun from the US it is still illegal for me to have it in Australia!
The law, doesnt matter what it is for, really depends on what you are doing in the country where you live, not the country where you purchase something.
I would like to add, I am not a lawyer so what I say is just.......well basic common sense.