Daemon Tools 4

[DABhand]

I myself have a raid system running. And ive been using SF games for quite a while now, once I had a problem with a CD being not recognised, other than that ive had no problem, and that one problem I contacted SF about it and they gave me a fix for it, not a problem.


Infact they will help you, if you ask them nicely, they arent the bad guys, they are trying to make a product that stops piracy and doing a good job at it.


Again they give support, but only to genuine users, on their forum you see countless warez users trying to get support but always fall at the first hurdle when they cant provide a genuine key or system information (always missing the important bits out).


Im not saying all people here are warez users, but most are, there is no doubt in that, and its the warez users who are offcourse finding it hard, so when they seen Grumpy's good thread about it, most of them make up the stories and add to it (again not all of them).


When SF starts it authenicates a disc, and that means benchmarking your drive, if your drive's life is about to give way it could cause the drive to die.

Warez users will have more complications, as that is what the protection is designed for to discourage warez issues.


Im just fed up seeing the same excuse each time "SF did this and that" when it could be the simple fact that drives or hardware were dying or were faulty. So immediately they blame SF. Why not Safedisc why not Securom? They do the same thing now. Each place a system file which resides in the windows folder and keeps watch.


If you got alot of genuine SF users and asked how much problems they had, you would probably find a huge amount of them have had no problems. Like everything nothing is 100% and PC hardware isnt generic like consoles, so there will be cases of incompatibility.

All im saying is, look at other avenues first before taking the easy option of blaming SF.

[hyakkii]

Originally Posted by DABhand

I myself have a raid system running. And ive been using SF games for quite a while now, once I had a problem with a CD being not recognised, other than that ive had no problem, and that one problem I contacted SF about it and they gave me a fix for it, not a problem.


Infact they will help you, if you ask them nicely, they arent the bad guys, they are trying to make a product that stops piracy and doing a good job at it.


Again they give support, but only to genuine users, on their forum you see countless warez users trying to get support but always fall at the first hurdle when they cant provide a genuine key or system information (always missing the important bits out).


Im not saying all people here are warez users, but most are, there is no doubt in that, and its the warez users who are offcourse finding it hard, so when they seen Grumpy's good thread about it, most of them make up the stories and add to it (again not all of them).


When SF starts it authenicates a disc, and that means benchmarking your drive, if your drive's life is about to give way it could cause the drive to die.

Warez users will have more complications, as that is what the protection is designed for to discourage warez issues.


Im just fed up seeing the same excuse each time "SF did this and that" when it could be the simple fact that drives or hardware were dying or were faulty. So immediately they blame SF. Why not Safedisc why not Securom? They do the same thing now. Each place a system file which resides in the windows folder and keeps watch.


If you got alot of genuine SF users and asked how much problems they had, you would probably find a huge amount of them have had no problems. Like everything nothing is 100% and PC hardware isnt generic like consoles, so there will be cases of incompatibility.

All im saying is, look at other avenues first before taking the easy option of blaming SF.

Its funny though how everyones pc runs fine without starforce installed.
I'm not against cd protection at all but when it goes this far where it can effect the performace and integrity of my pc thats a no-no i dont care if its the best game in the world i still wouldn't buy it or even play the demo.

I am against warez very much so (matter of fact i work for an organization that helps stop it) but i am still for no-cd and backups since thats what the law entitles you to starforce prevents this in turn breaking the law.

[Luciel]

Originally Posted by hyakkii

Its funny though how everyones pc runs fine without starforce installed.
I'm not against cd protection at all but when it goes this far where it can effect the performace and integrity of my pc thats a no-no i dont care if its the best game in the world i still wouldn't buy it or even play the demo.

I am against warez very much so (matter of fact i work for an organization that helps stop it) but i am still for no-cd and backups since thats what the law entitles you to starforce prevents this in turn breaking the law.

I've bought and happily played tons of Sf3 games (toca rd 2, panzers phase 1, both trackmanias, soldiers: howw2, etc, etc, etc...) and i've never EVER had any problems with SF3.

[hyakkii]

Originally Posted by Luciel

I've bought and happily played tons of Sf3 games (toca rd 2, panzers phase 1, both trackmanias, soldiers: howw2, etc, etc, etc...) and i've never EVER had any problems with SF3.

I'm not saying everyone will have problems but some people with untested or more uncommon hardware / software combinations might wreck havok with their protection ..

after my experiance i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole since i know what its capable of, many users don't think of the problems until it happens to them slowly & severly (many issues go un-noticed for example a simple application crash might be related and since the driver is hidden its hard to acuse and most average users wouldn't even know it's there) another reason the company can get away with it "how can something that doesn't exsit cause a problem"

All im saying is its going to far with these protection ..jailing us treating us like criminals i prefer not to support it. what will be next ask for ssn number / modify mbr / online license aquire (like ms DRM) / dongle / install their own os..etc?

everyone should read that sony rook kit url i posted its really intresting at what schemas they are coming up with

[Joe Forster/STA]

@hyakkii: I'm sorry but even if you have the right to create a backup of your original CD/DVD, the developer/publisher doesn't have to make it easy for you. So, no, Starforce (or any copy protection, for that matter) does not break the law. (No, I don't want to defend Starforce at all...!)

[Zulu]

Not unimportant:
http://www2.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/sho...9&postcount=24

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by hyakkii

Its funny though how everyones pc runs fine without starforce installed.
I'm not against cd protection at all but when it goes this far where it can effect the performace and integrity of my pc thats a no-no i dont care if its the best game in the world i still wouldn't buy it or even play the demo.

I am against warez very much so (matter of fact i work for an organization that helps stop it) but i am still for no-cd and backups since thats what the law entitles you to starforce prevents this in turn breaking the law.

The Law does NOT say you can backup everything when you like..


It says you CAN backup when PERMISSION is given from the author/publisher.


If you backup a game that the publisher did not give consent to, you are then breaking the law.


And it doesnt matter what country your in, its the owners right to allow you to have a backup or not, it is them who say if you can or not, not the government.

[wildwing]

HOLY
DT4 is best **** ever
maybe DT4 pro will be better!

looks like SFcure cuz same ****.. disable cd/unplug drivers ect

[hyakkii]

U.S. Copyright laws allow you to make one backup copy of software you own. However, that backup copy is "tied" to your original. If you sell or give away your original software, you must destroy your backup copy or package it with the orignal when you sell or give it away. Likewise, you may not sell or give away your backup copy without the original.
Of course, with the advent of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), breaking the copyright protection on a piece of software you own has been made a crime in many cases, so if the software you are backing up implements copyright protection, it may also be illegal.

also the law US Code collection :P http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...7----000-.html

but again these are us laws im sure it varies greatly country to country

it says no where you need the software creators permission to make a archival backup it might differ if it was in the eula. but almost every game's eula would never hold up in court

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by hyakkii

U.S. Copyright laws allow you to make one backup copy of software you own. However, that backup copy is "tied" to your original. If you sell or give away your original software, you must destroy your backup copy or package it with the orignal when you sell or give it away. Likewise, you may not sell or give away your backup copy without the original.
Of course, with the advent of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), breaking the copyright protection on a piece of software you own has been made a crime in many cases, so if the software you are backing up implements copyright protection, it may also be illegal.

also the law US Code collection :P http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...7----000-.html

but again these are us laws im sure it varies greatly country to country

it says no where you need the software creators permission to make a archival backup it might differ if it was in the eula. but almost every game's eula would never hold up in court

It doesnt say that, it says you can make a backup if you have a contract to do so, just buying a game doesnt give you this contract, if stated in the EULA or in other print that the publisher allows you to backup the software then its fine, if they do not give you any permission you cannot.

[Joe Forster/STA]

@hyakkii: Don't bother, DABhand just doesn't grasp the fact that a country's own laws have higher priority than the EULA which is just a contract between two people/companies. [Edit: See http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=70244#post279673 ]

[crypto6600]

I don't know about us laws or any other laws to be honest :P but there is AN INTERVIEW with some geek female from Starforce team on the Firing Squad website , and they asked her alot about the damned hardware crap
and she said that in some earlier versions and some other versions there was some conflicts between thier protection driver and some USB devices , causing them to malfunction .

Another benchmark on some tomshardware forum ( i will get the link later ) shows that starforce games tend to be slower in terms of fps, cuz Someone there think that the starforce protection service is running while the game is running as well ,, taking some memory and cpu usage .

I am not sure of the later , but I am sure of the first one , my Nokia MMC card reader ( Nokia 6680 ) WAS NOT getting detected in windows , until I Uninstalled SF . and I am not a computer newbie or anything here just flamin the hell out of starforce, actualy it's a 2 Headed weapon , it's very hard to crack ( I guess so ) and it really makes legal users in PAIN .

but I am glad that EA / UBi / Valve and ID are not tending to use such technologies .. YET .

[dajunka]

Here's a wierd one. I installed Deamon tools 4 and got X3 to work great first time from a image without unplugging any drives or using any tools. But when I tried the same on my other computer, it dident work, yet both systems are practicly the same. What ever is stopping my other computer must be something simple, but what?

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

@hyakkii: Don't bother, DABhand just doesn't grasp the fact that a country's own laws have higher priority than the EULA which is just a contract between two people/companies. [Edit: See http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=70244#post279673 ]

A country's own Law can not and never will overpower the owner/s instructions.


Lets not go back to your example way back, where in your language it said "contract" which you never did explain to me what your intepretation of the word contract was..


Again no countrys' law will overpower the right for people to protect their possessions and goods, software being amongst this fact.


If a country were to force this onto software publishers/developers, I can assure you they wouldnt want to release software into that country if they are basically allowing their software to be easily copied and distributed.