Starforce Petition!

[crc953]

Originally Posted by thebluegr

they tamper with things they are not supposed to (e.g. the PC's IDE channels)

You are very far from the truth.
A short analysis of sfcure demonstrate that SF hook two Microsoft drivers:
1= classpnp.sys: all Read/Write operation
2= netbt.sys; all operation (except load/unload)

1) means that SF spy everything that is read/write, from optical discs or hard discs
2) netbt is netbios over tcpip. It means that they can send to anyone what the spyed at stage 1)

Many thanks to eip.
You unplug your CD readers? Unplug your internet connexion!!!

[GTrunner]

I also support this petition!
I had a problem with Colin McRae Rally 2005, didn't work & f****d up my computer. I also could not returned it to the store becouse ''I opened it''.

I definitively won't buy another Starforce protected game ever.

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Yawns, Rubs eyes and conceeds that there will always be a few of "them".

Now i am not confesing to know all there is to know about SF or indeed prots in general. However i do have an understanding above the average user who has not looked into or wanted to know more about game protection ect. There are indeed many misunderstanding where SF is concerned. People do sometimes over exaggerate the problems SF can cause but make no mistake about it, SF is EVIL Joking aside though i have read many peoples posts (here @ GCW and "other" forums) playing down the FACT that SF can and dose cause unstable PC's in many different ways. Now one thing many people dont realize (apart from the Legal issues regarding SF and how it "works" within your OS) People dont realize that from having a SF protected game installed it can effect other non gaming related processes. For example a non gaming related issue would be = Not being able to backup other non SF protected games (without needing to know more than many people do) and this isnt just related to backing up games. It "can" effect the writing of other formats to DVD or CD. Now i dont know about you but if there is a possability that a SF protected game can hamper my DVD-RW's writing to disk opperations then that should be made clear by the Dev of SF should it not ?. (this can also tie into the legal argument about SF) and if indeed its a prot of even a virus/Malicious program because a virus/Malicious software dose things it dosent have the users permission to do (and yes i know im being very basic here). So to some up. Is SF capable of all the roomers. Probarly no is the correct answere but it is capeable of causing an unstable PC and its capeable of not only effecting gaming processes but also non related gaming opperations to.

Sorry to of weebled on for so long but this is something i feel very strongly about and as a consumer i feel if i were to purchase a SF protected game (which i have never personaly done and never would) i would not be privvy to all the information needed for me to make a educated decision and the lack of truthfull info is wrong, The lack of warning on SF proteced game cases and a list of possable effects is wrong. And if another product was being sold in this way there would be laws being broken,trading standards would be involved,the product would be taken off the shelvs until either the correct warnings were implemented on the case or SF was ammended ect ect.

So to all who claim SF dosent do damage to your PC 's (mabey you were one of the lucky ones?). SF dose have the Potential to and dose in fact cause many people problems. (problems the consumer should be made aware of before Purchase).

All of my above post has been posted (by myself and others) here at GCW previously. In my previous posts concerning SF(some of which are in this actual thread) It amazers me that people still post here trying to state that SF dose not cause problems in any form Do people actualy read the whole of threads before making a post ? ( i think not) I think to many times people respond to the later part of threads rather than to read the whole thread. If they did then there might possabily not as many incorrect posts. (JUST because something hasent effected you dose not mean it wont/hasent effected others and in many cases people wont even know what SF has done to their PC). So many times i read the same posts that have already been discused earlier in a thread (expecialy long threads that im subscribed to). SF Is a naughty Entity from a naughty region designed to do naughty things to our beloved PC's. (mabey that will help some to understand before they post)

[glenbo]

funny you say that..about it messing with other back ups..etc.
after my last fight with star force (toca 2) i ended up with one dead cd rw drive and one dvd rw drive that would not burn succsefully from the moment starforce hit my machine.
i fixed that drive by reflashing it.(about 4 times)

i later bought a new phillips dvd rw drive,working fine...then i decide to install toca2 again and bang! same thing happens.

since then i have sold all my starforce games to the local gamestation store...its really not worth the hassle.(and i aint just talking backing up hassle..im talking starforce in general)

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Originally Posted by glenbo

since then i have sold all my starforce games to the local gamestation store...its really not worth the hassle.(and i aint just talking backing up hassle..im talking starforce in general)

yep but their will still be those who state SF is not responsible ( I am begining to wonder if they are in fact SF employees)

[glenbo]

thing is unless people read statements in forums,nobody is to know any better.
good job that the only 3 half decent star force games so far have been colin mcrae,splinter cell 3 and toca 2...the rest aint worth wasting 40 quid on anyway lol :P