Starforce Petition!

[10823berlin]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@ Whacko
May I suggest you go and read the forum rules! This site is not to help you choose which games to 'download'!
People like yourself are the reason these type of intrusive protections are released!! Games are expensive in every country, what makes you think it is ok to download games just because you cant afford them!
I cant afford a Rolls Royce car but it doesnt mean I can just steal one! Developers etc work very hard to release games, so you will have to work just as hard to be able to purchase them! You obviously can afford a broadband connection therefore you can afford to buy games!
Enjoy your upcoming ban from this site!

Hi,

I just would like to say that I neither have any moral problems nor I dont understand your agression to this Indian guy! He lives in a Third World country and you tell him to waste lots of money for some ****ing games which generate some fun for very little time. You didnt make the rules so dont play the judge here! I guess that my computing knowledge is quite limited to all of you specialists here and I even didnt know that copy protections are running like trojans in the background - but I honestly have very little moral problems of being a software PIRATE. When the software or movie associations present their statistics of financial damage caused by internet piracy they assume that every stolen game or movie is a product which the thief would have bought if there would exist a technical solution of stealing it. (I appologize for my poor English - my German is better So in their statistics I am a person which would go EVERY day to the cinema and I would go to my game dealer TWICE a week if I couldnt have the possibility of downloading movies or games. What a god damn stupid mendacious logic! As a mixture of being a student and a self-employed I know about the illegal character very well. But playing games for me is just like testing them. And 80% of these games i quit playing early and I would kill myself if I would have bought them! I absolutely do not accept the price system for this service and 60 Dollar for a game which i quite in 80% before finishing is unacceptable. (Software is more a service than a product!) If the developpers would be clever they wouldnt waste lots of money in programming copy protections which gets cracked anyway. They should answer the global privacy with new ways of payment. Like a "pay per play" or something. What they do is strategically wrong. Battlefield is doing it in pretty good way. They offer infact a online game. You HAVE to buy it if you want to play it. Thats everything I got to say. And if some people here want to ban me now: Do it. I give a ****.

[Grumpy]

@10823berlin
I am not having a go at 'Whacko' because he lives in India! I had a go at him because he clearly did not read the forum rules! True i did not write the rules but without these rules this site would be swamped with all sorts of questions regarding warez and piracy which in turn would put this great site at risk of possible closure! I enjoy this site and I enjoy all the friends I have made and met here. I dont want Fileforums to disappear.
To use the excuse he lives in a third world country is Lame! He can afford his broadband connection!
To say you only download games to test them is just nonsense! Surely you have heard of game Demo's! I also know for a fact you have Game Rental Shops in Germany! Why cant you rent a game for the purpose of testing, if you then like it you can buy it! The shop I rent games from will even take off the price I payed to rent it if I decide to buy it.
And with Battlefield 2, not everyone wants to play a game online! And as far as 'Pay per play, I have already stated in a previous post that I would much prefer the Steam Activation method than Starforce!
Read all the posts before you comment on what I write to others! Unlike you I will still be a member tommorrow!

[10823berlin]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@10823berlin
I am not having a go at 'Whacko' because he lives in India! I had a go at him because he clearly did not read the forum rules! True i did not write the rules but without these rules this site would be swamped with all sorts of questions regarding warez and piracy which in turn would put this great site at risk of possible closure! I enjoy this site and I enjoy all the friends I have made and met here. I dont want Fileforums to disappear.
To use the excuse he lives in a third world country is Lame! He can afford his broadband connection!
To say you only download games to test them is just nonsense! Surely you have heard of game Demo's! I also know for a fact you have Game Rental Shops in Germany! Why cant you rent a game for the purpose of testing, if you then like it you can buy it! The shop I rent games from will even take off the price I payed to rent it if I decide to buy it.
And with Battlefield 2, not everyone wants to play a game online! And as far as 'Pay per play, I have already stated in a previous post that I would much prefer the Steam Activation method than Starforce!
Read all the posts before you comment on what I write to others! Unlike you I will still be a member tommorrow!

About my testing thing, you know for yourself that demos dont give a good overview of the game. At least not for me. I also didnt want to masquerade me like "I am a tester" or something. And regarding the prices for a broadband connection in India: Maybe you can tell me how much they are? You seem to know about it....Aha, just for your (all the people which buy cd´s/dvd´s and talk about bringing it back to the shop) information: Believe me that buying a cd or a dvd and going back to the store and changing it cause it doesnt work in your standalone players doesnt work in Germany aswell. If the box is opened, they will just say that you obviously had the possibility of making a backup which means that they wont give you back your money.

[leezer3]

@ Nerva- Would you define a virus as something that interferes with your proper and legal operation of your PC (IE. Busts SATA dvd drives?)
That is precisely what Starforce does- Also, they caused my PC to permantly BSOD to the extent of a FDISK- Tech support not interested!

I rest my case.

-Leezer-

[thebluegr]

@10823berlin:

Game demos DO give a good idea about what the game is about. Each game takes years and a group of programmers to make, something which you obviously don't respect. I'm not saying that I have bought everything that's installed on my PC, but I have bought a lot of software titles that I really enjoyed playing (Splinter Cell 1-3, Need For Speed Underground 1-2, Far Cry, Half Life 2 to name a few). Movies "generate some fun for very little time" as well, but I do go to the cinema. You can't just pretend to be poor, I've been a student, I've worked at the same time and still had money to go to the movies once per month and to buy a good game every 1-2 months.

As for game testing, you can always get the demo from a magazine or from the company's site, and yes that's usually more than enough to see what the game looks like. And you can still rent games from a video club. And in UK, you can return a product you didn't like (game, movie or music CD)...

Finally: nobody said that you HAVE to buy EVERY new game or movie that comes out. Noone forces you to do so. You just buy the stuff you like. That's why demos and trailers exist...

[Buck Rogers]

The key to end this war?

1) produce good quality games;
Money doesn't grow on trees so develop good games and
you have my bucks! otherwise go harvesting carrots!
Thats why game developers should have their respective public forum to ask customers what they want from the new incoming game, maybe even using them as beta testers.

2) lower the price (20 euros):
The price will be lower enought to be stupid to dwl a warez version, so the customers of original game will grow and no protection will be needed at all! we are about 60 million people around the world, get only 1 milions x 20 dollars=20 millions dollars!!! is enought for writing a game? (no other costs see below)

3) buy online and download it:
No more intermediaries between developers and customers, if a game could be sell at 20 euro, at the shelves cost 3 times more!! so you can be able to download a PERSONALIZED copy of the game, in your language and with an embed mention to who is the owner of such game (e.g.: this copy of the game belongs to etc etc, thanx for buying etc etc) let people customize what they purchase, let it be unique!

4) I really think that is my right to try-before-buy, so release ALWAYS a fully enjoyable demo version of the game (ID software docet!) before the final game, i have to know if the game is REALLY as CoOL as shown in the magazines or in the internet gaming site reviews.

but this will never happens, there is a weird project.. and al this projects leads to the same reason.. MONEY!

Antivirus: they are free.. you can use it freely but you know why? because in the future you will pay for it for sure!

antispam: same as above

Internet Game servers browsers: same as above

cheats website: same as above

and so on..

even the cracking tools have a cost! so why this mess should end? naaa... too many people earn easy money...
and my opinions is useless.. just like yours.

[DABhand]

1. They do this already, and most publishers/developers do have beta testers.

2. Even if the game was $5 people will still steal/download the games, cause they are fat greedy feckers.

3. A good option, for the broadband people, people with 56k may miss out. But, then comes the Steam idea, they would have to protect the game via a steam like app, or else someone will get the game and sell to pals for $5 so they can play it.