Starforce Petition!

[ashleymalpas]

I am also never buying a starforce protected game ever again. I brought I-Ninja (which I didn't know had starforce V3 protection until recently) and since installing the game my system has been very unstable and constantly crashing. So today i downloaded the starforce cleaner and surprise, ive had no problems whatsoever since, whereas before it would crash 4 or 5 times each hour.

I think starforce is BS, those A******S need to stop putting this crap on games.

[Monty Burns]

SF can make your sytem unstable that is for sure. The protection itself does not have anything to do with any standards.

Again: If developers want to protect their software, they should always have in mind that an average customer should be able to use their soft without any problems. Customers in trouble are customers in search (for alternativrs!). I like protections which protect software frome being stolen, but they should not be recognized by legitimate customers!

[Grumpy]

@Monty Burns
Yes very well written mate.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi guys,

A few weeks ago, in one of the threads, I suggested someone to not upgrade to the very latest nVidia Forceware drivers as they're causing instabilities on my Windows XP system: after playing a game, opening Control Panel's Add or Remove Programs function or launching a DVD in Cyberlink PowerDVD causes a "BAD_POOL_CALLER" blue screen of death.

For this reason, I downgraded to Forceware 67.66 or something about two or three weeks ago but the crashes still occurred during the next one or two weeks. Then something came to my mind and I removed the Starforce drivers with their own utility. Guess what, no crashes for the last week!

So, if someone tells me that the Starforce drivers cause no system stability problems, all I can say "F*CK OFF!"

Joe

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Hi guys,

A few weeks ago, in one of the threads, I suggested someone to not upgrade to the very latest nVidia Forceware drivers as they're causing instabilities on my Windows XP system: after playing a game, opening Control Panel's Add or Remove Programs function or launching a DVD in Cyberlink PowerDVD causes a "BAD_POOL_CALLER" blue screen of death.

Joe

the nvidia drivers also cause a nice crash in softice.. makes you wonder what nvidia are playing at, quite suspicious.. downgrade the drivers, all is fine

[Joe Forster/STA]

Well, TippeX, yeah, the next step of the test would be upgrading to the latest Forceware drivers again. I have the feeling, the crashes won't come back; it's probably not the Forceware drivers causing it but Starforce!

[Morglum007]

The way nvidia may crash or not work properly is the same with Starforce. Nvidia main chipset, nforce have no public chipset specs, so it is so difficult to program something for non public and unknown micropics. The same happens to Starforce, cause when trying to access with certain bad coded instructions, win return a big BSOD, an exception.

SF crash cause it tries to access almost to everything in ur system, to get ride of it and control it. When it can`t, then system gets unstable. Anyway, thats a soft problem, and not like the worst one, a drive death, the final effect of having SF installed on ur system. Lets see how many drives must dead to people have knowledge of what SF is doing.

Sice and SF are incompatible, cause SF works in ring0 level, and a debugger too ( specially sice), so it can only be one at once working: sice or SF, but not both. There is a pretty warn when trying to launch a SF protected title, but if u override such warn, cross ur fingers, a boom is near.....

I do not like SF for its drives secondary effect and windows bad working: lets wait...