Cobra 11 - Burning Wheels Question

[TippeX]

actually, @Magyar, if you're truly wanting to beta test then pm me or cdkiller, and we'll see about it, if you're just venting for some unknown reason then please stop

and joe actually states the main reason it went internal beta..

some people tested, some internal betas leaked to the public, for us, we want a public release to be as stable, as tested as possible (which is where the beta testers come in), if we released a new version every 2 weeks like you suggest (which simply isnt possible because cdkiller and i have to live, work, eat, sleep and then work on pid which is a hobby) then there would be too many bug reports, versions to track and generally it gets very messy very quickly... that and, of all the people who applied, only about 10 of them were actually any use.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Yeah, from my personal experience, people 1) almost never add the actual version number in their reports (so you gotta ask back) and 2) also rarely look at the homepage, to see if there's a version newer than the one they're using, before reporting a problem (so you gotta ask them to try again with the latest release). This is a headache and a waste of time, even with my software that now, unfortunately, gets updated only every few months. In my case, it is alpha releases - rather then beta releases for Protection ID - that are distributed only to a small team of hand-picked, dedicated power users (and often hardware/software developers themselves).

[Magyar]

ok let's end the talk here. it can only go nowhere
i have no problem with the program, ok ?
my only issue is the time it has taken to become public (and not because i want it)
in the last 2 years there was ONE authorized general public release (i don't care about leaks or stolen or such) but why keep a lock on it when you say it is free (which so far it is) if you say because it's unstable, oh dear... isn't such a program by definition almost always in a perpetual beta ? c'mon do you think mum and dad use pid ? it's young men that like to "do sh!t" and have some knowledge of this. also prior to this 2 year lockdown the releases were much more frequent...
so, joe, the problem is not the beta name, but that it is a freware/shareware program and yet for 2 years it's not available to public (other then beta testers even if a few hundred) and you don't have to release every minor build tippex but at least a quarterly version to gen public?. you think 4 times a year would have been too much ? and it was also needed... the xmas 07 version is now "almost" usles for new stuff (and by new i mean in some cases protection that's 6 or more months old) ie safedisc 4.9 that some show as "no protection" or almost all tages since that time too... or only show as solidshield but not actual tages..

also why do you confuse the matter of adding extra tools ?? i only say that because you know that doing so will only add more test (beta) time... so then maybe you should have released the lite version before... the more features a program has the more complicated it gets, you agree ? be honest and see the fixes log and how many things in the last 2 years you had to "fix" other then the code related to detecting protection. and even if not some of the features you now have is like a sandra or everest. and you know they alway need updates to recognize the new hardware (cpu, mb chipset etc).. why add such items if that can delay releases for such long periods ? (please let sandra and everest do that, and you specialize in protection detection, what you do best...) you agree nero was once lean and good ? but since years now it's slow and bloated if you install all of it ? nero as a burning app is now like norton products (antivir) to many people, you know slow and bloated crapware. (because i like pid, and others, i don't want to loose you)

i think i made my point pretty clear..
i like pid (except all the "tools" added on, but that my opinion)
i have no problem with you or anyone
just the way the pid was "closed" (and it's NOT because i want it always, it's the principal. do you get that ? or just not believe me about it ? so yes please pm me a link... but you said there is on coming today or such ? so maybe i get that one...)

my tip: you know what sort of people use this tool so don't worry about "bugs" hurting systems - just release a public version every 2/3 months!!!


and yes like joe, i'm hungarian.... (does that matter ? no. just thought i'd mention it)

edit: so i think of something else. i think your knowledge about this subject is highly advanced. you know your stuff no doubt and i think maybe when somebody "criticize" something-anything you take it as attack on you or such ? not true. i admit you are field genius, ok ?

[DABhand]

WTF!

Yeah perhaps you will release a credit card generator every 3 months, what you cant? for many reasons?

OH I am now so angry that I have to wait a year or more for an update.....

Anyway back to planet reality, the word tough comes to mind, if they want to take their time and release once per year then so be it, they are the authors and you are the user. Its not costing you so there is no point crying about not getting it when you want.

There is criticising and then there is Your version of criticising, you blatantly attacked the authors in previous posts and your last, again it us up to them and not up to you, don't like the wait? tough? The universe doesn't revolve around your head.

[Joe Forster/STA]

I think this latest post had an acceptable style and raised a few good points, too. Any user would prefer more frequent updates of his or her favorite software, that's quite understandable. But, on the other side, so is lack of time for faster development.

[TippeX]

more releases are planned (they were even before magyar's post), the problem is time (or lack of) to develop, test (properly)..

add to this that we aim to make pid work on ALL windows versions from 9x upwards, which involves a lot of vmware testing, coding workarounds and so on, in the background the file access methods were also heavily modified to make it faster, along with the scanning core..

there's also more stuff, which i added in from side projects / testing work for other things and so on, all those need tested..

that, and protection really doesnt change every 2 weeks (no idea where that timeline was guessed from), we've only had to update a minimal amount (<10) of protections to update, where most of the detections didn't change over this time...

[yener90]

Originally Posted by TippeX

ALL windows versions from 9x upwards...

is that not too much?
i think there is no one, who uses win 95.

you should only make it for XP/Vista.
the most new games support only xp and vista.
if someone want to use on old windows, they could use the old one.

PS: Do you need the executables of Cobra 11 - Burning Wheels?
ive got big internet problems, now i can upload it.

[TippeX]

hmm try scanning the exe's with the new release i posted about , use the update feature in protection id, or hit the homepage pid.gamecopyworld.com and download the new version

believe it or not there are still some people who use win98 (se) and protection id, people with old machines they use as lan file servers for example , some features of protection id (cd/dvd sector scan for example) are only for windows 2000 upwards (due to various crap with 9x for cd/dvd sector access.. aspi mightnt be loaded/installed and so on, and things like that.. it might come in later.. its not top of the 'todo' list though)

if the exe's are not detected in protection id (new ver.. 6.1.3) then please send me a pm with a link of where to get the files (exe+dlls in the installation folder is what i usually need), though cdkiller said this version of protectdisc is now detected, so fingers crossed

[Joe Forster/STA]

Windows 9x support is a major sign of coolness!