Starforce Petition!

[coffin filler]

Ahhh the beloved star force. Another moan and groan. and why not ?. Well im happy to say that i have not installed ANY starforce protected games on my PC and thats compleatly down to the info i am privy to here as a fileforum member. Its thanks to this place i have not made the mistake so many other ppl have made. I buy all my games and i also back EVERY SINGLE one of them up and i refuse to buy a game that once installed will fu(k up my chances of backing up other non starforce protected games as well as the genral well being of my PC. I dont have anything against a copy protection that makes backing up one of my original disks hard and a challange but what i do object to is having a so called copyprotection compleatly screwing with my PC and all backing up procedures that i will attempt in the future. My thanks go out to GCW F/F. Also thanks for the link that you sent me a while back Grumpy in a PM to the starforce info.

Ohh and yes i will continue to boycott any starforce protected game in the future. I wish enough of us would do the same and if the numbers got big enough dev's/publishers would realize but in reality thats not gonna happen. The worst thing i have had to deal with (as an avid gamer) is not having had the experience of "Splinter Cell 3. C.T" . Its my only regrett to not allowing any SF protected game on my PC.

[nerva]

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who pays you guys? easy cracking macrovision or the same securom?
the most content from varios forums that you quote here taking from StarForceNightMare readme. But we know (just look at SCCT results) that SF succesfuly beat SFN with out any system troubles. More than 100000 users, succesfuly play the game.
You thread one big LoL for ppl who knows...

[Monty Burns]

Now, we know !

Thank you for enlightening all the "small minded" kids here......

[The-S-Owl]

Originally Posted by nerva

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who pays you guys? easy cracking macrovision or the same securom?
the most content from varios forums that you quote here taking from StarForceNightMare readme. But we know (just look at SCCT results) that SF succesfuly beat SFN with out any system troubles. More than 100000 users, succesfuly play the game.
You thread one big LoL for ppl who knows...

I begin to believe that you are one of the Starforce developers who tries to defend your own crap

[ripper_george]

In a few words, it's sure that publishers should protect their software(PC Games) from illegal copying, but you should be capable of backing up the cds. A CD isn't a 100% indestructible thing. It may suffer severe damage either when it's in or out of the PC. That's why we should back them up. Not to mention that the costumer's support is not satisfying. Especially in countries like Greece, where after the purchase, no support is available.
So the sure thing is that they must do something about the protections, so I don't have to be anxious, because I have to play my vidoe games with the original disk.
I have a starforce game, silent hunter 3, and unfortunately I can't back it up. That's why I stopped playing it.
I am boycotting Starforce Games!!!...

[robbdn]

Is starforce boycott working? Price of SCCT for PC is already down to $30, while console version remains $50...

Interesting...

[dajunka]

I think it's working but your not going to get publishers announcing the fact, they will just quietly remove it from there software without fanfare..

Read this if your thinking of going 64bit scroll down page untill you get to the bit about starforce.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1816231,00.asp

http://www.64bitstuff.com/index.php?showtopic=1644

[KessG]

When Silent Hunter III was released, it was far from being offered here in Brazil. As a long time fan, I had no choice but to download it. I figured that when it is available, I'd buy it. three months later, it finally reached the stores in a reasonable price (not the most expensive, but above the average). This time gave me the opportunity to try the several methods of backing up (with no success) and to notice the overwhelming amount of bugs and inconstancies with history, engineering and even the previous Silent Hunter II. Coupled with the fear you and several other people displayed in installing StarForce, I've made up my mind: I won't buy it and will delete my illegal copy. Thank you.

[coffin filler]

Originally Posted by KessG

When Silent Hunter III was released, it was far from being offered here in Brazil. As a long time fan, I had no choice but to download it. I figured that when it is available, I'd buy it. three months later, it finally reached the stores in a reasonable price (not the most expensive, but above the average). This time gave me the opportunity to try the several methods of backing up (with no success) and to notice the overwhelming amount of bugs and inconstancies with history, engineering and even the previous Silent Hunter II. Coupled with the fear you and several other people displayed in installing StarForce, I've made up my mind: I won't buy it and will delete my illegal copy. Thank you.

So glad we could help..Tut tut to D/L it (warez) is not tollerated here @ GCW. Just be carefull what you say here otherwise you will be reciving a ban. (may i suggest you read the rules as to avoid this happening to you like it happens to so many others)

[Grumpy]

(Ive mentioned these points in other threads but thought they also deserved to be mentioned here)

If I was given a choice between a game with Starforce protection or a game with an Online Activation (like HL2) I would honestly prefer the online activation!
Starforce messes with your system and can cause hassles with other programs the whole time! And does their Starforce Clean really fix those hassles? Starforce doesnt tell you its installing!
Online Activation however is only a hassle for a short time, thats during the actual activation (except for dialup users, the hassle could be a longer one). Online activation tells you what is happening, it is not hidden from you! Once the game is activated you dont have anymore 'hidden' hassles. Like with HL2, once the game has earnt its profits they can release a patch so you dont need the disc to play, they can possibly even release a patch to stop the online activation?
But even if a starforce game has earnt its profits, and they release a patch for you to be able to play without the disc, would you really be free of the problems starforce has already created for your system?
I really dont like the Online Activation, it is a hassle but nowhere near the hassle of Starforce!
Since I for one had major problems with the Starforce Protection, I always create a ghost image before installing a new game. Luckily I had ghost images from before my system ever came in contact with a Starforce game! After installing a starforce game i found a lot of my other games would not even autoplay, my drives where reading the disc names even after the disc had been ejected, I had programs no longer working properly, I had CD's/DVD's which would not eject, I had all sorts of problems!! I never had any of these problems before I installed Starfoce and even after using 'Starforce Clean' these problems were still there!
But as soon as I ghosted back to before Starforce all my problems magically disappeared!
Regardless of how much any future games gets hyped up I will not be installing them if they have the Starforce virus!

[dajunka]

Originally Posted by Monty Burns

The only chance of stopping starforce, is boycotting it. But this will never happen.....at least not to a degree which would be remarkable....

Sorry my friend but it's already happening surf the game forums/sites. This is the type of war that as a consumer you LOSE, but as consumer's you definitely shall WIN.

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Originally Posted by dajunka

Sorry my friend but it's already happening surf the game forums/sites. This is the type of war that as a consumer you LOSE, but as consumer's you definitely shall WIN.

Well we can live in hope but hope is all we have and will ever have if there isnt a solution found. (which dosent look promising). I also belive (even though i dont and will never own a SF protected game) that we are on loosing side. There will never be enough people who will not buy anymore or diss-continue buying SF protected games and lets be realistic unless a big ammount of revenue stops going to devs etc then SF will continue. Its down to £s and the devs,pubs,etc arnt loosing enough of it for them to concider implementing "other" protection's. (IMO) Why would they cause lets face it it dose what it says on the tin (and plenty more besides) and unless there were a lawsuit of somekind (due to the system instabilities etc etc etc SF can cause) then i belive its here to stay

SF is not a protection its a damm virus! (As Grumpy and so many others have stated)

[MasterYoda34]

If game developers are going to use starforce they NEED to AT LEAST have a pop up box to confim before install. And it should state that it can cause problems on some systems.

I have been reading about all the problems that people have been having with StarForce for a while now, but I never thought anything would happen to me. Well now my system has crashed a couple of times recently and before I UNKNOWINGLY installed StarForce, crashes were extremely rare for me. And one time when I double clicked on one of my CD Drives in My Computer it asked me what program I wanted to use to open it. WTF. Also, BlindWrite seems incapable of making images now. I MOST CERTAINLY will not be buying any starforce protected games anymore.

[dajunka]

Originally Posted by MasterYoda34

If game developers are going to use starforce they NEED to AT LEAST have a pop up box to confim before install. And it should state that it can cause problems on some systems.

I have been reading about all the problems that people have been having with StarForce for a while now, but I never thought anything would happen to me. Well now my system has crashed a couple of times recently and before I UNKNOWINGLY installed StarForce, crashes were extremely rare for me. And one time when I double clicked on one of my CD Drives in My Computer it asked me what program I wanted to use to open it. WTF. Also, BlindWrite seems incapable of making images now. I MOST CERTAINLY will not be buying any starforce protected games anymore.

Yerr, hope is a major player here, hope that SF become totally un hip and anti social, hope that main line publishers see the light, hope that some dude take some publisher to court over SF and wins, hope that SF will once and for all be cracked.

[chaosmaster]

Originally Posted by MasterYoda34

If game developers are going to use starforce they NEED to AT LEAST have a pop up box to confim before install. And it should state that it can cause problems on some systems.

I think it is useless, if they build in a pop up box because its too late if you see it before installing, that the game has SF! Then you cant bring it back to store because you have already opened the packing! It shold be placed somewhere on the cover!