[SuspiciousJedi]

Originally Posted by TippeX

blocked by starforce? since when did starforce interfere with audio disks?

Originally Posted by TippeX

since when did starforce protect dvd's (movies that is)

It does not but you can't have another disk except the game disk in the drive while you play, or can you?

Originally Posted by TippeX

simple, you reboot and dont load softice

And that was your answer to this:

Originally Posted by SuspiciousJedi

#3 - I want to use Soft-Ice debugger to debug my own software or the driver I am writting for my company. Now what?

I was not asking how to play a game, I was asking what should I do if I am a developer? How to debug when those drivers that block debuggers are installed? I am wondering are you using your reading abilities at all?

Originally Posted by TippeX

regmon/filemon from sys internals?

Right, those two.

Originally Posted by TippeX

again the network traffic CAN be monitored, theres tons of network analysys programs out there, that can capture packets etc

You do not understand this obviously. Since the Starforce is comprised of not less than 4 kernel drivers they can send packets directly without those ever being seen by firewall or network analysis programs. What is even worse, hardware firewalls included in routers are not designed to prevent outgoing communication so they cannot stop Starforce from sending date without you knowing it either.

Originally Posted by TippeX

theres logic, and then theres paranoia, and then theres jumping to conclusions without first researching the topic you're discussing, which category do you belong in?

Logic is simple -- I do not wish anything that may affect the functionality of my whole computer or it's parts in uncontrollable manner to install without my consent and permission. Moreover, I do not wish to buy anything that doesn't list it's full requirements on the box. There is no valid argument against this. Period.

I am certainly not jumping to conclusion because I have seen how this stealth injection technology works before Starforce has been made. There is a sample source code floating around and even some tools from sysinternals use some of those techniques now used against them.

One example is regmon which monitors registry access by hooking to registry APIs. Starforce not only hooks vital system APIs but it goes even further to hide itself so you don't even see it is doing it.

The method used for patching into the OS kernel can be seen as a security breach because it is not using any Microsoft approved means of interacting and hooking into the system therefore your system may not work as intended after installing it. Having such a thing in your system could void your support with Microsoft -- those drivers aren't even certified by Microsoft meaning they can cause you all sorts of trouble.

Now, could you possibly explain this to me:

What is the point of all hardware manufacturers going through the trouble of obtaining WHQL cetrification from Microsoft to ensure stability and normal functioning of your dearly paid system when a stinking game can install unsigned drivers from the third party without your consent, whose interaction with the OS does not adhere to specifications set by OS manufacturer, and can endanger all your hardware/software/data just by sitting there and intercepting vital system functions let alone doing anything?!?

I suggest you to do some research on the subject instead of trusting or doubting my judgement or sanity. As someone pointed earlier check this, and don't forget to read about all the technologies involved (bottom of the page) because Starforce does include many of them.