View Full Version : another desperate and patethic CH fail
read this new fail from CH
and please ADMINS, MODS, read too ;)
http://www.cheathappens.com/show_board2.asp?headID=109459&titleID=13673
another desesperate and patethic CH fail.
Joe Forster/STA
03-11-2011, 15:35
And, children, remember: using trainers whatsoever makes you impotent... I mean, a lousy gamer... ;)
aw crap, i ran a trainer from a h4x0r guy and it turned me into a vegetarian.. christmas is ruined! !!!
on a more serious note, chris should be a bit more careful, technically his post is libel. . but its the inet so not really much h4x0r can do, it is kinda pathetic tho
Joe Forster/STA
04-11-2011, 03:35
Ahhh, libel... You see these kinds of unfounded accusations and personal attacks all the time on online forums. (True, true, they're mostly anonymous: hiding behind an unidentifiable nickname makes people think they have the right to say anything about anyone without any punishment.) The only way to battle them - if you want to spend/waste your time with that at all - is to make them a target of ridicule, so that to-the-point sarcastic comments make readers stop for a moment and actually think about the validity of such statements.
Please, note that in the thread referred to - http://www.cheathappens.com/show_board2.asp?headID=107232&titleID=14183 -, among the usual personal insults against us, there is no actual information on exactly which trainer (download URL) does exactly what (suspicious files, anti-virus warnings), just the usual vague bullshit.
yup, but the usa are trying (and probably wont succeed) to pass a law that a site will be responsible for any libelous comments, and if they don't reveal the posters information the site will then be taken to court... scary times, i can't see the rest of the world going with it, but its big brother usa (fuck yeah!) again, just like their dmca thing where they can knock the sites dns into the bin at a moments notice etc...
Joe Forster/STA
04-11-2011, 04:03
Don't worry, in Hungary the government is also trying to put an end to this kind of anonymous online mud throwing contest... but in a more democratic way. However, only stupid ideas emerged so far - e.g. people having to register at some state agency before allowed to post on forums - and even the government itself admitted that they don't make much sense... :)
the really strange thing is over here who monitors their users?, he or I?, is clearly shown that they are constantly monitored, and that is not normal.
As you may know what is to come down some sicheats?, because the user explicitly says that has been a trainer sicheats?, where are the proofs?, this is very confusing.
is very clear that they know everything about you, make it very clear there, to know that trainers are down and the user who has used, then accused of theft?.
Sicheats only verifies that the user is registered in sicheats for validate and run the trainer NOTHING MORE.
yup thats why there is not much information h4x0r, there is no proof given, and no ch user will question chris' authority as they might lose their account... if there was proof i think it would have been posted, but we are all idiots in their eyes.. if they were serious they could make a doc on it, scientific method.. any trainer should also be able to reverse engineer simple code, caliber definately can... but noone will challenge them, though i could do a compaaritive analysis of how your trainer works and how theirs does...but it would show what both do for the authentication... but i can do it if you want me to...
reason for me doing this is that im sick of the trainer wars...if this levels the playing fields so be it but im a great believer of the scientific method as it can be reviewed by others and checked
only problem is that i would need a recent ch trainer
drama... CH and h4x0r, used my trainer
Joe Forster/STA
04-11-2011, 13:08
So i asked on the same page if someone could upload payday.dll. The post where i said that was deleted and few hours later i got banned from sicheats ?
[...]
Before that I had posted in CH Payday forum, on a topic that is deleted now which was called "WISH list for payday trainer", and have pasted the trainer options that was offering h4x0r at the time. The whole topic disappeared nearly at the same time that my account was set inactive.
Yeah, what the fuck, I agree. It's part of their major paranoia, thinking everyone, who doesn't agree with them 100%, to be an agent of the other side. This paranoia, unfortunately, reached us - or, at least, me -, too, and we're wary of people just popping out from nowhere - please, don't get me wrong but I have to say it: - like you. We're trying to handle all "facts" with great care because we have no idea who is who and is doing what for which side: everything said here can be fake. (As definitely many people don't believe us, I have to add: this very post, too, can be fake. ;))
This whole war is just a waste of resources. As you can see in the real world, brainless competence got us to where we're now. Time to get back to cooperation which is part of basic human nature but many of us got corrupted while growing up.
@phadeb, 100% correct you can see the log in only for see trainers fails.
CH havent right to delete you account only for use other trainers.
If your account has been blocked because of this unjustified, this is a case of fraud, but this does not surprise me really, I know how, what and lived for more than 2 years and still continue with their nonsense.
NO EXIST ONE PROOF OF CREDIBILITY TO THE COMMENTS OF CH, EVERYTHING ALWAYS LIE.
but if there is evidence that they are people convingentes extortionists.
you are free to use the trainer you want, nobody can say otherwise.
you used a sicheats trainer is better than the product of CH?, great!, in fact we do it for everyone to use it.
you can sleep peacefully, sicheats not want to know about your personal data, JUST DO NOT INTERESTED.
regards
I dont use any of their trainers, i take a Droll or a LinGon trainer anytime of the day
they dont bring out bullshit, these trainermakers just continues to show how pathetic they are, keep bringing up who does this and who does that.
Atleast h4x0r brings out shit most of the time and CH is after your money.
i would recomend everyone to avoid their trainers if you want to stay safe, and trust me you can.
I dont use any of their trainers, i take a Droll or a LinGon trainer anytime of the day
they dont bring out bullshit, these trainermakers just continues to show how pathetic they are, keep bringing up who does this and who does that.
Atleast h4x0r brings out shit most of the time and CH is after your money.
i would recomend everyone to avoid their trainers if you want to stay safe, and trust me you can.
very constructive repply, there is amazing how people so groveling.
Instead of using it from others, learn and do your own work, loser.
very constructive repply, there is amazing how people so groveling.
Instead of using it from others, learn and do your own work, loser.
very constructive?, and this person above me is said to be over 30?
eh?
well h4x0r about learn to do your own things, i am more like you here, you see i preffer to use the hard work from others
insted of doing it myself, beats waiting the time to do some actual hard work dont it.
i rest my case people.
Some nice excuse to post about CH, hint hint SIG
very constructive?, and this person above me is said to be over 30?
eh?
well h4x0r about learn to do your own things, i am more like you here, you see i preffer to use the hard work from others
insted of doing it myself, beats waiting the time to do some actual hard work dont it.
i rest my case people.
Some nice excuse to post about CH, hint hint SIG
firstly welcome to my ignore list, I will not read a message from you.
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: hell pwing your mom
seeing that, I have my doubts about you resolved.
always the minimum profit you to gain the attention of people and sell more shit that sell, this is a clear case of fraud, and you come attacking me?, get out of here please.
please, leave from where come, possibly CH, and make sure you take shit that's the only thing they do.
You do not like my signature?, :cool: to me if I like it.
if you have nothing better than this shit to contribute, please some mod or admin can get this character here?, these people gives me a headache.
On the other hand I'm glad to know that do not use my work, in their hands this wasted ..
because it uses personal information against me?, you are ridiculous, it is probably all know who that one useless.
obsessions vague that they have against me, they have nothing better to me advertising?, thanks!
this thread is going off topic quickly...
if you think the poster is a troll h4x0r then dont feed the troll, plain and simple
the person is entitled to their own opinion much in the same way that you are free to disagree with it
stay on topic or the thread gets closed
Joe Forster/STA
05-11-2011, 08:44
Actually, I think h4x0r didn't understand what DavidKs is saying - and I'm not sure if I do either. Drop the slang and write in standard English. (You might want to rephrase your already existing posts, too.) In particular:
I dont use any of their trainers, i take a Droll or a LinGon trainer anytime of the day
they dont bring out bullshit, these trainermakers just continues to show how pathetic they are
You refer to not using whose trainers: h4x0r's or CH's? Do you like (they don't bring out bullshit) or not like (these trainermakers [are] pathetic)?
spunkermonkey
05-11-2011, 11:46
hey h4x0r
I just commented on how your SONIC GENERATIONS trainer didn't work on Sicheats, saying I didn't know if it was because I was using the steam version, if it was the 20ish MB update from yesterday or if it was all the CRAP you wrap your trainer in now..
Also commenting on how I realize you want to protect your stuff but this login and wrap-crap is getting ridicilous..
your immediate reaction was to ban me.. if you can't even handle a single comment without turning into a complete asshole, then you are no better than the CH people.
What's the point in nagging on about your trainers being so great and "FREE" when they
A: don't work
B: you get banned for even the tiniest bit of critique...
my reaction is to ban you too.
especially after seeing your other thread
your timing..coincidental? i doubt it
change your tone or theres the door...
your points may be valid your attitude is not
spunkermonkey
05-11-2011, 12:28
all I want is trainers that work, if they have to make such a mess of it and involve the 3rd party (the users).. they should really just find something else to do ..
maybe I'm just being childish but at least I'm not alone then..
and I really don't see what I said that showed such a bad attitude.. I'm not the one involved in this CH/h4x0r war...I really just do want a trainer for sonic generations..
I think its really childish and immature to ban people for something like what I wrote. It's not as if I was namecalling or anything..
am I really that wrong?
Joe Forster/STA
05-11-2011, 17:23
You cannot jump suddenly into a forum from nowhere and expect long time members, including but not limited to moderators, to "like" your harsh words. (I don't think this would work on other forums either.) Especially not in a sensitive topic like this one!
Also, please, note that this is not Sicheat's support forum. If you have problems with accessing that forum then complain there and/or at their admins as we cannot help you anyway.
Nevertheless, independently of whether or not you were banned on Sicheats and whether or not it was justified - which we have no idea about -, I agree that banning people on sight for plain disagreement is childish. However, if I listened to my gut feelings, I would've not only closed but even deleted this thread upon sight because threads like this invariably end in a flame war, without anything useful. Still, as you can see, I kept it open and tried to be constructive about the discussion here. I hope this shows that this forum, unlike many others, is not a mindless dictatorship with bans on sight but, in change, I expect that you be constructive, too, because lack of that will end in a ban.
my comment was purely because of your attitude, and the timing of your arrival and your first thread you made..i also do not usually ban on the spot too but the timing was a little suspicious..
constructive criticism is fine, name calling and just adding fuel to the fire is not..
everyone is entitled to voice their opinion provided its justifed with some logic or reasoning behind it..
please also bear in mind that some people (like h4x0r) are not native english speakers and sometimes use online translators, so slang etc can often be missinterpreted too
spunkermonkey
06-11-2011, 16:18
I don't get whats suspicious about the timing.. after trying the trainer I hit google trying to find something else and found this forum, registered and wrote that post.. so.. maybe the timing is because of something else going on here but I'm not aware in that case..
and I chose THIS thread for opening because it "appears" to be written by h4x0r...nothing else..
Joe Forster/STA
06-11-2011, 17:00
spunkermonkey, you don't get it, do you? Whenever h4x0r posts something, some people, yet completely unknown to us, appear suddenly (hence the "timing") from nowhere and start bashing: not working site, not working trainers, trainer encryption colliding with other software, trainers stealing personal infos, not working site login, mandatory Facebook login, CheatHappens rules, h4x0r sucks, I lost my girlfriend because I could beat her in The Sims only with a trainer but the trainer doesn't work anymore so now I suck and she left me, Barack Obama also has Spanish ancestors like h4x0r and he's an idiot, too, h4x0r is the final obstacle between mankind and global peace, blablabla... As if this was Sicheats' support forum.
Because CheatHappens have their spies and agents everywhere, anyone - that includes you - can be such an agent who comes here only to stir shit, nothing more.
(These posts serve no useful purpose at all and, therefore, will be deleted soon...)
Joe Forster/STA
07-11-2011, 10:33
The problem is that even when I sent h4x0r a dozen PM's, he mostly wouldn't listen or would reply that, yeah, he understands the problem but he thinks that the (then) current solution is the best. Of course, it later turned out that his solution was not the best and he should've listened to me from the very beginning. (I've made so many mistakes in my life so far so smart people should listen to me and not make the same mistakes "again". But, as history shows, this almost never is the case: individuals, nations and complete empires do actions that proved to be disastrous in the past, thinking they might be the exception. Later it is made clear they aren't but that costs a lot of suffering - at the worst, lives.) If he doesn't listen to me - and I helped him a lot! - then why would he listen to you or anyone else? The probably best way of persuading h4x0r, as I later found out, is to discuss things with his "colleague", cocodrilo, and then ask him to forward our conclusion to h4x0r. (Unless it is something that relates to what he does on our forum, in which case he gets a direct warning from me instead.)
Since we didn't give much help to CheatHappens, they will ignore our suggestions even more. So what's really the point of these discussions? I don't delete them on sight because I always have the tiny hope that something useful may come out of it, after all. Unfortunately, it never really does. People complain about h4x0r's decisions, I mostly agree with them, then the situation escalates - in which h4x0r also takes part by replying to provocations with provocations; he got a 3 month ban when I got fed up with it - and I'm forced to, at least, close the thread, if not even delete it.
I'm not sure whom you mean "very unpopular": CheatHappens is very unpopular for us and, probably, people who believe us and h4x0r and us are very unpopular for CheatHappens and their fans. We can't help it. Up to now, we still received no direct, verifiable, undeniable proof for anything CheatHappens said about h4x0r. Our "mistake" was that, unlike the vast majority of other sites/groups, we did not take their claims for granted and wanted proofs that we can verify ourselves. After a year, a sample trainer arrived from them: it was not a direct download from h4x0r's site and it turned out to be fake; a document was leaked from them, which never actually arrived before although they claim to have explicitly sent to us long ago, and even that contains just descriptions that they allegedly verified but we are unable to, lacking the trainers they checked. (Yes, the document is well-written which suggests that it contains true facts but this wouldn't hold for a second in a real jury either.) Unfortunately, instead of giving up the bullshit, they continued their propaganda campaign against h4x0r and included us in it, too, saying h4x0r is our "love child" and such. This is stupid: we "protected" h4x0r as much as independent juries would "protect" suspects who are innocent until proven guilty. This is also part of laws in the great USA that CheatHappens is situated in but they just don't give a fuck about it. (Although - nothing is accidental - just like CheatHappens is trying to dominate the trainer scene, the USA is also becoming a police state inside and expanding its foreign influence, to put it mildly, outside.) Also, they (allegedly but not actually) hacked our site, uploaded fake trainers in h4x0r's name to GCW and they and their fans registered here and abused us and other forum members on our own forum! This "if you don't accept my claims then I won't continue to try to persuade you (although when I'm objectively right then, by definition, I can show objective proofs for my claims!), I'll slap you in the face instead" is the attitude that wars come from. These multiple instances suggest that, perhaps, nothing they said was true - we'll probably never know.
Thus we became mutual enemies and, whenever something happens that resembles CheatHappens' ways of thinking even remotely, we cannot dismiss anymore the thought that this might be yet another attack from them against us. Especially when no discussion takes place for weeks or months, then h4x0r posts something and, suddenly, people appear and start/continue the discussion. Why did they come here now; if they were around then why didn't they start their own discussion earlier? I have to admit that, probably, our stance towards this kind of discussion intimidates people and, as they don't want to get banned, they instead give up trying to discuss CheatHappens- and h4x0r-related topics here. But, then, what are we supposed to do: allow people to complain here about other forums?! If we made that official then this forum would really become a Sicheats support forum, where people can talk about h4x0r's trainers not working, without having to fear of getting banned; perhaps, later the same for CheatHappens. The purpose of this forum is definitely not this!
So what do you suggest? I have to stress that GameCopyWorld and FileForums belongs to Empire, the admin, and, as we already disagreed in a few small things in the past and some significant things in the CheatHappens vs. h4x0r topic, too, I cannot announce that if people would like to do this or that on this forum then they would be allowed to. Also, as I wrote above, I don't have much hope anymore that either CheatHappens or h4x0r would listen to whatever is discussed here, admit their mistakes and learn whatever their users would prefer them to do. That's why I don't think that such discussion would have any use... :(
As for us (well, mostly me) handling discussions during the war, the announcements, threads that later emerged, I know I'm on the razor's edge but I also discussed things with the staff and have myself a strong feeling of what's right and what's wrong and I adhered to this all the time. For this reason, I don't regret anything I did so far in this topic but that doesn't mean that I never made an objective mistake. If you think I did, tell me.
spunkermonkey
07-11-2011, 19:29
Sorry then.. I found this site when googling for problems with the wrapper on the sicheats trainers.. basically I found the "Sicheats now has DRM on it" thread.. havent been here long enough to know that this was common every time h4x0r posted.. I just went for this thread because I saw his nick as the threadstarter and it was near the top of list of posts.. and I got kinda pissed when I was banned from sicheats within 2 minutes of making a comment (the first one) about the trainer not working..that kind of behaviour kinda deserves bashing.. even if this forum possibly isnt the right place for it.. just hard to do it on the place I got banned from.. I just think that kind of behaviour deserves little sympathy... Sorry if that made it appear "suspicious"..
really, if the are gonna make such a hell out of trainers they should find something else to do.. well back to Dungeon Defenders.. gotta upgrade my von wolfenstein to max..
Joe Forster/STA
08-11-2011, 02:20
Trainers are a very good way to learn hacking and assembly programming. Or, at least, it was back in the times of microcomputers when it was realtively easy: I made trainers for several games on the Commodore C64. But it's not the pinnacle of programming; moving on to programming embedded systems in assembly and/or C or system application programming in C/C++ may be a good idea but not while creating trainers is still fun!
Joe Forster/STA
11-11-2011, 07:39
Just to let you know that my ip is probably blacklisted from cheathappens site because i can't access it anymore.
I don't think you're blacklisted but, if you want, you could try accessing the site via a free proxy. Search for them on the Net and try, at least, three of them, big ones and small ones, too. (If none of them work, send me a PM with their IP addresses and I'll try them myself. It's possible that those free proxies are blacklisted: my attempts will show whether or not this is the case.) I have no problems accessing the CheatHappens main page at this moment.
Joe Forster/STA
11-11-2011, 16:53
Wow, I'm amazed... Or am I...?
What Internet provider are you using; do you have a fixed IP address or a dynamic one? If a dynamic one and there's someone around using the same provider, can you ask him or her to check out the CheatHappens site? Dunno how deep you tested this already but I'm curious.
their response made me laugh, okay i suppose h4x0r can steal his account info but how can his account get inactive if CH donot want it ?. I think they should handle their customers more "gracefully", banning should only be reserved for spammers and annoying users, i think this goes for h4x0r as well since there have been more than several complaints of him banning people on forums because they just asked a question.
As for the rest of the thread, i'd use Joe's words and say its verbal diarrhea. I feel h4x0r can do much better than he currently is by caring more about his users and in my eyes, CH is winning because they do not their annoy their faithful users, the 'evil' tactics, well they want to dominate and thats part of dominating the competition. This doesn't mean i support them, im just sayin'.
Joe Forster/STA
13-11-2011, 05:25
there have been more than several complaints of [h4x0r] banning people on forums because they just asked a question. [...] CH is winning because they do not annoy their faithful users
Faithful users don't ask questions, get it? :p
im just wondering how legal ch's actions are to banning lifetime members (as seems to be the case) without reason.. im sure they are aware but they probably covered their asses.. its shameful though and blatant theft.. $50 or smth for lifetime memberhip. if it happened to me i would definately seek legal advice, perhaps phadeb might be best investigating that
Joe Forster/STA
13-11-2011, 08:59
They don't understand even basic legal notions: one is that their "file" on h4x0r is not an actual proof, just a guide on how to prove their claims for experts (forensics?) to check, another I don't remember anymore ;) but I wrote it down somewhere in our announcements. Also, trying to show us how valid their points are and how much they're backed up by the law, by sending to us a picture (!) with the name and address of the lawyer, is so ridiculous that I have major doubts.
So if phadeb has some time and would like to play then, yes, he should seek legal advice. Even if not to sue CheatHappens right away, "only" ask for advice: 1) is the situation against some law and 2) does he have proofs that a jury will accept? I, similarly to TippeX, would go for it. ;)
Oh. This shit again? The last one was just a few months ago. It's awesome how PWizard has immediately figured it out that the login info was stolen by h4x0r. So let's see the whole story:
1. H4x0r has a special code in the trainer that is searching for CH login details specifically.
2. H4x0r is using CH users' accounts.
3. PWizard is detecting that h4x0r (who else could be?) has hijacked an account.
4. Account banned and the registered user was not informed about it at all. Instead, when he says he has used a h4x0r trainer, it turns out that this was the exact reason for the trouble.
Thank you! Laughing is healthy and you have just made my life 1 year longer.
How on Earth do they know if h4x0r is using an account? Could it be someone else? No waaaaaaaay! It was h4x0r for 100%.
Oh come on people. None of these guys could figure out even just a proper children story, not to mention a sophisticated lie.
As for the h4x0r vs CH thing, most people just hate them both. h4x0r is quick tempered and banning people on sight and CH is just... well, CH. I agree with STN on that one.
CH is banning people for saying anything that they don't like, h4x0r is banning people for saying anything that he don't like. Hey guess what? I see a connection here.
I think that banning should be the last solution in handling a problematic forum member and communication should be the first, but this isn't an advice, it is just my opinion. Patience is a virtue, and not just in reverse engineering.
heh Geri, perhaps hax0r and ch should merge.. chx0r :) totally agree too
They could not agree on the name.
chx0r is almost impossible to pronounce and if they change it to ch4x0r, then it will be almost the same as h4x0r's name. They should call themselves:
Cheat H4xpens
Joe Forster/STA
23-11-2011, 05:24
I think that banning should be the last solution in handling a problematic forum member and communication should be the first, but this isn't an advice, it is just my opinion. Patience is a virtue, and not just in reverse engineering.
That's exactly what I've been doing all the time although most people involve don't understand it. Of course, they don't because they don't even want to. The war could've been "solved" easily and fast, at least on this forum, by permbanning everyone who took part in the very first flame war at once. However, I strongly believe in (and practise) free spech... but only while it remains civil. Those parties could've been banned like a dozen times but I waited and waited and waited; some people see it as impotence or weakness, I see it, like you, a virtue.
By the way, Cheath4x Happensor or CheatHappens & Co.. ;)
hi there not to sure if this is the right place to put this but i want an answer i was banned from sicheats a while ago only because i posted a comment looking for help cannceling my cheathappens free account next day i was banned even though i congratulated him for his efforts and how that cheathappens were out of order so i want an answer form him explaning his reasons for barring someone that supported him
Joe Forster/STA
30-11-2011, 11:20
Don't multi-post! Also, this is not the Sicheats support forum so, as soon as you get some kind of answer from h4x0r, your post will be deleted. (It should be deleted right now.)
sorry for multi posting please delete i just wanted to track this guy down and finally get an answer sorry if i broke any rules
I like how FF is serving as a 3rd party, you get banned from CH, come here and ask. Sicheats ban you, come here and demand an answer lol.
I'm just glad I dont use or will never use a trainer to play a game :)
I've purposely chosen to stay right out of this silly war as it does not concern me in anyway. :)
But I am also glad that FF does supply a place to vent when innocent people are banned from sishits and shithappens. :p
Well, that means you don't play a lot of games. There are a lot of games that are just too tough to play without cheats/trainers or really boring. Trainers do add fun to game and i am not talking about the usual health/ammo trainers.
and lol @ sishits
Joe Forster/STA
01-12-2011, 04:09
Again, I have to stress that I believe in free speech. (It has nothing to do with trainers or any trainer group.) I don't like at all people complaining here about their personal problems with another forum, because that doesn't belong here. But if it's only a few posts, and relatively on-topic inside a general thread of complaints about that another forum, then - as I decided but I might have made a mistake! - we can make an exception because the personal complaint underlines the general one, kind of proving that the general one is not unfounded. It shouldn't get frequent, though...
Well, that means you don't play a lot of games. There are a lot of games that are just too tough to play without cheats/trainers or really boring.
Actually, I do play a lot of games, I also have 2 teenage kids who play a lot of games, neither of us use trainers. The tougher the game, the harder and longer we persist with it, there is always a way around a decent challenge. :)
Your right about some games being really boring tho, those we just sell. :D
if there was a multiplayer skyrim for grumpy and his kids, grumpy would cease to exist on this board as would myself and alot of the members i think :)
if there was a multiplayer skyrim for grumpy and his kids, grumpy would cease to exist on this board as would myself and alot of the members i think :)
lol, actually i dont really get into games like Skyrim, as good as it does look, but yes my kids are hooked on it.
I myself am hooked on BF3 at moment. Some of the older members would possibly remember me being hooking on BF2 some years back. Also spent a lot of time playing COD4 but sadly MW2 and MW3 fail. :)
But we are getting a bit off topic in this thread now I think, my fault I know. :p
Victorious
02-01-2012, 10:24
Hi ,
I use h4x0r trainers , never been a problem to me .
;)
Cheat Happens, Haxor. and STA Joe are all fucking pathetic. You are all acting like children arguing about something stupid. All of you are idiots because you guys can't get over it. Carrying on a war with another website is stupid and all of you should be ashamed for doing so. I don't give a shit who started it. All of you are morons for not ending it. If you guys don't like each others than stop fighting with each other and get on with your lives.
Joe Forster/STA
30-01-2012, 23:19
puck5, we had a quite friendly conversation with Caliber from CheatHappens yesterday so, it seems, we already have a truce and even peace may follow soon. (If you're an agent or fan of CheatHappens, this might be new for you, but ask them for a confirmation if you don't believe me.) You're fuckin' pathetic, away with you! By the way, in case you haven't understood it yet, this forum was an arena and a reluctant - and, apparently, not very experienced - peace maker in this war rather than a combatant so why you blame us is beyond me...
Hi im new to this forum but I use GCW all the time to get H4x0r trainers as i refuse to use CH trainers as I don't want to pay for a cheat subscription and using god knows what to see what stuff iv'e used on my pc. In the business I work in if someone isnt forthcoming of there intentions and putting things on your cumputer without your permission is invasion of privacy and is a crime and also counts a act of fraud so the CH team really need to get there act together.
Now the more pressing issue sicheats site is down and im unable to login in to my trainers.
I may get banned for this but that pwizard guy seriously needs to get laid from what I can make out its him that has spat the dummy out just grow a set and remember back to when cracking games to make trainers was fun and now CH has gone from sticking it to the man to being the man epic fail.
H4x0r carry on the good fight mate and please sort out the login issue please.
PWizFromCH
01-02-2012, 15:57
That's pretty funny considering h4x0r's trainers are the ones using DRM on FREE TRAINERS and uploading all of your info to their servers each time you run the trainer. Why don't you ask yourself why DRM is needed on something that is FREE? You deserve h4x0r's trainers. Idiot.
@Swaynie, np man, soon OFFLINE mode is avaiable ;)
regards
Joe Forster/STA
02-02-2012, 00:24
i refuse to use CH trainers as I don't want to pay for a cheat subscription and using god knows what to see what stuff iv'e used on my pc.
Why do you think CheatHappens trainers are stealing your personal information? I'm yet to see a proof of that. The same goes for h4x0r's trainers, too.
In the business I work in if someone isnt forthcoming of there intentions and putting things on your cumputer without your permission is invasion of privacy and is a crime and also counts a act of fraud
Then you need to be afraid of Micro$oft much more than of CheatHappens - or other trainer makes, for that matter.
h4x0r's trainers are the ones using DRM on FREE TRAINERS and uploading all of your info to their servers each time you run the trainer.
You were given several chances to prove that h4x0r's trainers steal personal information. You didn't. I see no reason to not permban you (again) for spreading lies (again); can you tell me one?
Why don't you ask yourself why DRM is needed on something that is FREE? You deserve h4x0r's trainers. Idiot.
Why don't you fu... ask yourself why DRM is needed on the demos of several games? Idiot.
PWizFromCH
02-02-2012, 02:14
Wow, Joe, got h4x0r's back again, eh? Weren't you one of the people condeming h4x0r for adding DRM into his free trainers? Now you're a big supporter? *shocker*
BTW, h4x0r, if you're going to add DRM into your trainers, it might help if you not have the $1.99 hosting package (25 pesos) at WEBSITES-R-US.com seeing as how your trainers no longer work when your website is offline for days.
Joe Forster/STA
02-02-2012, 03:31
Weren't you one of the people condeming h4x0r for adding DRM into his free trainers? Now you're a big supporter?
Wow, it's so reassuring to know that you know what I mean better than I do! That's your main problem: coming up with false assumptions and deductions based on incomplete information and, to a great degree, maliciousness. I know intuition and creativity works exactly the same way - if the result is positive and the person benevolent! - but you're supposed be intelligent enough to be able to see the distinction.
I told h4x0r many times that it's a stupid idea - and I still believe it is - but I did it mostly privately and in a friendly manner. Unlike you, that is. What I pointed out to you was that there are other examples of using DRM where there's no apparent reason to. (Of course, there is a reason but it's not apparent to the average user.)
By the way, care to reply to my previous question: can you tell me a reason not to permban you for spreading lies (again)?
PWizFromCH
02-02-2012, 06:08
Can you PROVE that I am lying? Have you personally disassembled all of h4x0r's trainers to see what they are or are not doing during this mysterious DRM authentication process? I would do it for you, but we both know that would be pointless as you would just accuse me of falsifying the information.
cocodrilo
02-02-2012, 06:26
Can you PROVE that I am lying? Have you personally disassembled all of h4x0r's trainers to see what they are or are not doing during this mysterious DRM authentication process? I would do it for you, but we both know that would be pointless as you would just accuse me of falsifying the information.
Yes I can
I would do it for you, but we both know that would be pointless as you would just accuse me of falsifying the information.
yes, try it please. the key is encrypted using rijndael and encoded in base64.
Joe Forster/STA
02-02-2012, 06:45
Have you personally disassembled all of h4x0r's trainers to see what they are or are not doing during this mysterious DRM authentication process? I would do it for you, but we both know that would be pointless as you would just accuse me of falsifying the information.
You're trying to shift the burden of proof into which trap I will not fall.
You'll need to explain it in a way that others also understand, can follow and check for themselves. If your guide is too technical then you won't be able to convince the public, including me. (That's not my fault: fact is that the vast majority of humankind is NOT an expert in decrypting, unpacking, reverse-engineering Windows assembly code.) If convincing the public doesn't matter to you then why are you complaining here at all, why did you ask help from us back then?! If you want to make your point, for god's sake, make it! Until then, you're just talking vague suspicions (i.e. bullshit) which we've had way enough of. Also make sure that the trainer is on h4x0r's site or GCW (exact download URL!), so that you cannot change the code or, for that matter, let anyone accuse you of it. (Not that I haven't told you all this about a dozen times...)
You really need to educate yourself about logic fallacies (too) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy - because there's, at least, one in every post you make.
cocodrilo
02-02-2012, 06:48
wow, that's some pretty strong encryption for a FREE PRODUCT that has NOTHING TO HIDE.
Is a validation process... ¿would you to use plain text?.
PWizFromCH
02-02-2012, 06:57
Why not? We do, because we are not sending ANY personal information during our authentication process.
BTW Joe, we spent DAYS compiling such info into a PDF document a couple of years ago showing how h4x0r ripped several of our trainers. We all know how that went. Not going to waste time going through that again. Believe me or not, doesn't really matter. I think the public is smart enough to figure out that online only DRM, super encrypted, which requires an account to be created at a third party website, all for a FREE PRODUCT, is more than a little phishy.
cocodrilo
02-02-2012, 07:05
Why not?
If the user has access to the data anyone can send false validation data. is unusual store validation data in plain text in any service.
It is easy to understand for these reasons:
The key is generated in the server, and downloaded in your profile in SC.
The file not change or increase in the user computer.
is the file is generated in the server ¿how to send other information? please explain.
Its good to know:
The regulation implementing the Organic Law on Data Protection indicates that passwords, while in active state, will be stored in an "unintelligible" format.
Joe Forster/STA
02-02-2012, 07:41
we spent DAYS compiling such info into a PDF document a couple of years ago showing how h4x0r ripped several of our trainers. We all know how that went.
And I spent HOURS trying to explain to you that a document by itself is not a proof, unless others can use it to make their investigations. As you haven't provided us with download links to real CheatHappens and h4x0r trainers, which I asked you several times, there was no way to make our own investigation. Neither could anyone else, including people who can reverse-engineer trainers. (Of course, I wrote down this, too, in one of our announcements.)
Not going to waste time going through that again.
Me neither. You either show proof or fuck off.
Believe me or not, doesn't really matter.
If it didn't really matter, you wouldn't be here complaining, would you?
I think the public is smart enough to figure out that online only DRM, super encrypted, which requires an account to be created at a third party website, all for a FREE PRODUCT, is more than a little phishy.
I think the public is smart enough to recognize the false logic - and lack of actual proofs - in your posts. Not too difficult, though, as you're using quite a lot of them:
- argumentum ad hominem
- argumentum ad baculum
- argumentum ad ignorantiam
- argumentum ad verecundian
- argumentum ad ridiculum
- argumentum ad nauseam
- argumentum ex silentio
- onus probandi
- red herring
- no true Scotsman
- cherry picking
- straw man
- to quoque
(Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies, too.)
I got bored of you. Go away!
Can you PROVE that I am lying? Have you personally disassembled all of h4x0r's trainers to see what they are or are not doing during this mysterious DRM authentication process?
LOL. Posts like this are ruining your credibility. You just confirmed that your accusations are not having any ground. Not a wise move. Your temper is your enemy.
Ironically, you and h4x0r have more in common than you would think. Quick to anger, ban people just because you have a bad day, waging an infinite war against each other with a never-ending hatred. Facts that are true and well known about both of you.
Funny that you hate each other so much because you are similar in so many aspects.
LOL. Posts like this are ruining your credibility. You just confirmed that your accusations are not having any ground. Not a wise move. Your temper is your enemy.
Ironically, you and h4x0r have more in common than you would think. Quick to anger, ban people just because you have a bad day, waging an infinite war against each other with a never-ending hatred. Facts that are true and well known about both of you.
Funny that you hate each other so much because you are similar in so many aspects.
well everyone can think what they want, but i'm very quiet that i have nothing to do with these people now and never.
regards
But you have opened this topic:
http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=92691
And they do the same about you on their forum.
You guys never give up. I wasn't even born yet when this war has started. :D
but i just leave doubt in the air, not directly accuse anyone, much less insult anyone .. also I have a right to complain because complaints have never started for me :)
Joe Forster/STA
02-02-2012, 14:47
Funny that you hate each other so much because you are similar in so many aspects.
People can't stand seeing their own bad habits and dark side in others - it's like looking into a mirror that, "unfortunately", isn't crooked.
There's a Hungarian science fiction short novel dealing with this: Weinbrenner Rudolf: A kitüntetés (The award). In the future, scientists and artists are protected by the "Gene Bank" that stores their DNA and memory, the latter saved every few weeks. If something happens to them and they die, a clone is created and his or her memory restored from backup so that society doesn't lose them. An artist, without goals and tired of life, jumps into a volcano and is later resurrected. He manages to persuade one of the technicians to create another clone of him but, this time, as female. (Sex change, for the next incarnation, is a standard option in the "last" will of such people.) They, the same personality in two bodies, start to live together but, instead of recognizing the good in each "other", they rather get mad about the "other"'s bad habits, down to the smallest goddamn details. Also, how surreal can it be to have sex with (a copy of) yourself?! After many quarrels, they conclude that they cannot live like this. Besides committing suicide, they also blow up the local Gene Bank so that they cannot be resurrected ever again. As a result, the council responsible for this "award" of immortality understands that not everyone is ready for it - it's rather a psychological burden for some - and decides to continue to offer the chance to great minds but not force it upon them anymore. Quite edifying...
Yes, they are perfect nemesis for each other.
emptieness
03-02-2012, 05:49
Every time I see a CH vs h4x0r et vice versa thread (http://i.imgur.com/tCp90.gif)
Every time I see a CH vs h4x0r et vice versa thread (http://i.imgur.com/tCp90.gif)
That actually made me laugh :p
darkedone02
05-02-2012, 15:11
I am wondering if anyone is suffering from war exhaustion from this CH vs H4x0r war?
nah, gamehacking can be so boring sometime, we do need a little drama from time to time :P
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