WH40K: Dawn of war (General Discussion)

[Playbahnosh]

Hello Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War players!

I searched the forums and i only found crack requisitions for this game, and not a single topic discussing the game AS IS.
It is a great game in it's profession, and it is worth to buy, I think. Although I have a few issues:
Just to quote the StarCraft's hero: "This is not Warcraft in space"
Well, yes it is! Orcs from Warcraft, Brotherhood Marines, a combination from Warcraft and StarCraft, and the Elda, who cant't say they not related to the Protoss. Well Relic tried to combine the all-timer RTS games in one. I can't say they failed, but there are some problems with that.

First, what are the orcs doing in a future based RTS? They can't even talk properly for god's sake! (well, thats the funny part. Their talking is so funny, I started some missions over and over again, just to hear the orcs dialogue in da moviez ) Besides, the orc units and buildings are a bit childish. (That WAAAGH! banner is so lame, if you ask me). I didn't played the board-game form of Warhammer, but I think the orcs have nothing to do in this game. It's illogic. Flame if you will, but I stick to this opinion.

Second, the units are not balanced. A single space marine squad can anihilate a whole truckload of orcs and elda without moving a finger. If they upgraded properly, they are the ultimate weapon. Sure, they can be defeated, but that requires some heavy artilery. And the orc superunit, that transporter animal or what. Now that's a joke. On a mission i ecountered one, and I can say, I laughed a lot. It took down 4 dreadnought, 3 whirlwind tank, 4 fully upgraded space marine squad and lotsa turret all by itself. Finally, only my main base's defense could stop it. I know it's a superunit but it destroyed nearly all my outposts and the half of my main base. It is too strong.

There are no limit of resources. The game could last forever if i just fortify my base and wait for the enemy to use up all their resources and then attak them(don't laugh, it's a good strategy). It seems, their requisition never depletes. They just keep coming, and i have no option just to stay in my base and try to withstand the attaks. If I break out and manage to get a strategic point, they attak until i lose it, and i flee back back to my main base, beaten. I played pretty much with strategic games but this is rediculous.

The voices are brutally ****! Especially the Elda voices. They sound like they are talking from a tin can. But this stands for the marine voices too. The orc voices are allrigh, though they only say waaagh .

Ok, enough with the bad things. The graphics are fantastic! The modells are beautiful and the anims are great! Bravo boys, good work! I never seen a RTS with graphics this great.
The movies are fantastic too. The intro was a shock to me, in the good meaning. I couldn't say anything for minutes, and then I only said "coooooool!" The in game movies are somwhat generic, but still beautiful, even they are engine-rendered. Hurrah for DX9
The missions are difficult enough, somwhat too difficult for normal mode, but still good. The covers are a good idea! It gives much chance to use some strategy.

Phew, it was a looooong novel. If anybody interested to ask or say something about the game, post it here!

This is a general discussion thread. So please read the rules. NO warez!
NO POSTS ABOUT "WHERE TO FIND CRACK OR NOCD"!!!!!
Use the other threads for that!

So, I wait the replys! Thanks!

[Luciel]

First of all, if you had any idea of the Warhammer 40k unniverse, ud find out it exists from waaaaaaaaaay b4 starcraft and warcraft so in any case, they got the idea from them, but why lie to ourselvs it all comes from the lord of the rings books, aniways, bout the orks, the only reason u say they shouldnt be there its because u see them as a mithological creature, therefor ancient time, whilst in the W40k unniverse its simply an alien race, why not? in fact it makes more sense.

The units might not be balanced but the armies are. Yes orks suck but the big thing compensates, yes eldar infantry are weak, but in masses they will beat the enemy with their weaponry, difference is that orks and eldar are unbalanced armies, and marines and chaos (which are essentially dark marines) are balanced, but in the end, if we were to give points of strenght and bla bla bla rpg style, all 4 armies are balanced.

The resource system is designed precisely so the player has to get out of his base to capture strat points to get em, once you catch one, well just build defences or/and another base to defend it, and yes there might be unlimited but it compensates with there being a 20 infantry limit and 20 vehicle limit so you cant build big armies, so it makes it all about strategy, right unit at the right place at the right moment, which makes it a lot better strategy game than many others.

The point of the voices, the eldar speak like that because the whole point is that the computer is "translating" their language, and once translated it just sounds like that, according to the warhammer books and codex.

And your last paragraph, how can u say that when ur in the tottally wrong part of the forum? you've posted this thread in the pcgames cracking forum ¬¬

[Playbahnosh]

Ok Luciel, maybe I really don't know the WH universe that good, but that doesn't mean that you can say those things. I wrote that stuff becouse thats my opinion, so dont flame me becouse I think other ways then you. My strategy is no topic! I play as I please, so leave that alone. I know that my "bleed them dry and strike" tactic is no use here, I recognized right after the first skirmish game. So what?
And for the sounds: It is translated, I know that(Im not that noob gddamit!)
but it gotta sound a little bit better isn't it? How about StarCraft? Does the Protoss have a "I'm-speaking-from-a-tin-can" voice? Of course not! Relic should have spend some time with the voice editing.
And yes, there is a unit cap. But that 20 unit comes constantly over and over again, and make ash from my base! That's the point! We can fight forever if ther's an unimited resource!

And finally for the thread posting: really few people reads the off topic threads, so I posted it in a popular forum. Is that a big sin?

[Luciel]

Hey caml down mate, i wasnt flaming ur thread, was just posting my oppinion and about the thread, its the rules and about the eldar voice i disagree i think its cooler like that :P altho it does ssound rather weird, and i dont critizise ur strategy as i use it all the time, i like the old "fortress" mode if u know what i mean :P, fancy a game sometime? people online on the game are way to good for me : /

The units might not be balanced but the armies are.

Hell no, the Terminators are way over balanced, I wiped out most enemies with about 3 squads of Terminators backup up with the plasma tanks (forget names and had to re-install OS so can't check).

The Terminators are as hard as nails and plough through anything.

[focus20]

Originally Posted by n00bie

Hell no, the Terminators are way over balanced, I wiped out most enemies with about 3 squads of Terminators backup up with the plasma tanks (forget names and had to re-install OS so can't check).

The Terminators are as hard as nails and plough through anything.

Terminators "normaly" in WH40k tabletop game Are "hard as nails"

[Playbahnosh]

Yeah, terminators are though, but not that hard to beat. Take some chaos marines, and a pair of demons, then the terminators should fall like leaves in autumn The real though thing is the orc's superunit, that transporter beast. Now thats a hard to beat sonofabiach. It rumbles thruogh almost everything without taking a single hit. I had to geather all my forces to take down that thing

[Grumpy]

Don't fight the bad things in life. Find the good ones! Enjoy your life, it's too short to spend it with fighting for goals you can never reach! Live for the moment!

This is very good advice!

[Playbahnosh]

THX Grumpy!
And for warhammer. The missions are getting though from the 6. mission forward. Needs some strategy to proceed. And it is very slow!!!!!
I must claim the grounds inch by inch, and if I clense one base, it seems I did nothing. They just keep coming... Veeeeery hard...
But I like it

[Bohno]

One thing to point out is that this game never is or never will be the same as the tabletop game, tons of units aint included.
But all in all this game is well balanced, and there are few WH 40K games out that has lived up to the name.
This one will go in the history of being one of them.

[Luciel]

I miss my Razolbacks And the new rhinos, and whats this about the rhinos having no weapons, technicly you can put 2 bolters on the top : /

[Bohno]

Yes Luciel, i could use that firepower too, just a pintlemounted stormbolter would do the job.
There is no point of spending vehiclepoints in the Rhino with no weapons at all, when you can deepstrike.
Some of those vehicleupgrades that are in the tabletop game could have be inplanted.

Another thing we could hope for, is that other races like Imperial Guard, Tau, Necrons and Tyranides will be included in the expansion, plus extra maps, campaigns, maybe even more units and upgrades.

[Luciel]

Yeah, now the necrons would kick everyones asses cos of the advanced bionics like tecnology
I really do hope theres an expansion for the game

[Playbahnosh]

Well yeah, what did you guys thought? Relic uses the same tactik as EA with The Sims. "Foxhide" ! Remember The Sims? What would be, if they include all the features from the expansions in the original game? Well, it's simple: They wouldn't have made that much cash!!!!
I seems, it's worth to sell a game broken to pieces. First, sell a plain game-like-game that shows what is it like, and then, after a few months, sell the expansions to fill it with some game . It's too bad Dawn Of War has the same lifepath . Maybe someday, the game writers will give out games free, and there will be no piracy and warez and things like that....hrk...oh sorry I was dreaming :/
So all in all, Warhammer will be the ethalon for the RTS games, years to come, thats for sure

[Luciel]

but wait, have W40k expansions been confirmed?