REQ: Stolen trainers to be removed from GCW

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

However, it may well be possible that Empire will request something in change. Let me guess: e.g. a discount on CheatHappens membership for our forum members; special GCW releases of your trainers and/or trainers uploaded to GCW before other sites. Please, consider these, too. (Again, these are only my own ideas, without knowning anything about Empire's standpoint on this whole matter!)

I am not affilated with both sides in anyway, but thats a bit too much.

Asking for discounts for users here for the promise of removing thieves' files, wow thats pretty dictatorist.

[Joe Forster/STA]

It was just an idea, not an ultimatum. I'm open to other suggestions, too.

We could play a stupid game where I'm the messenger, the CheatHappens people tell me something, I forward them to Empire then, after a week, forward back the answer, too, and this loop goes on endlessly. (And I'm pretty sure Empire won't want to deal with it personally.) To avoid this, I want to see problem closely, understand it and suggest possible solutions beforehands already.

[DABhand]

Never said it was an ultimatum, just said the idea was pretty tough.

[Chalirum]

You want to remove Kelsat and h4x0r trainers because they use a stolen code? RIDICULES! GCW is a site full of cracks, most users use mu/rs/tpb and get cracks from this site. 100s of people work for months on a game and their work is stolen, but nobody cares here, this is a place for pirates.

Ignore Caliber and BigBoi, people won't stop using GCW because it is supporting pirates, lol.

Next thing you know people from EA will complain and you will consider removing cracks, lmao.

[DABhand]

You have no idea what your talking about, and if you havent already read rule #1 of the forum and you will see this place is not for warez users.

You wouldnt understand because your mentality right now is get everything for free. Kelsat and h4x0r steal from other trainers, that is lowest of the low in terms of Trainer makers.

And if you again took the time to look before typing, you will notice none of EA's latest products have any cracks for here or at GCW, because the site does not support any cracks that bypass online authentication.

GCW does not support warez users, it supports people who wish to preserve their originals from over use. Hence why warez users get a swift kick in the balls here.

So again please do research a bit more before replying if you do ((your poor spelling looks familiar :P)) and before you say I dont know what im talking about, do research on me too.


EDIT: I notice your trying to reply to the thread, but seem to be taking forever to do so, could you please hurry up im in suspense here lol

[Chalirum]

You do realize that rule #1 is to cover admin in case he is sued. Admins actually love anyone who visits their page, pirate or a saint, they don't care, they get money from ads [more people = more ad views = more money]

All gamers I know use cracks from this page, they pirate games. I don't know why do you think that most people use cracks to save cd/dvd from scratching.

No doubt that most GCW users are pirates from bt, you can easily check this by going on any torrent page, almost every question about crack is answered by "go to gamecopyworl.com"

Picking on my "EA example" and spelling is a very poor form, lol, replace EA with Activision if it makes you feel any better, lol, English is not my native language, and yes I'm getting everything on my PC for free - games, soft, os.

Anyway, this discussion is pointless, you are not going to convince me of anything, no doubt that this goes both ways. I just wanted you all know that game pirates hate CH and love kelsat - another thing that you can see on any torrent page.

Ban [kick in the balls = ban?] my if you want, I don't have a static ip and know what a proxy is, so I'll continue to use cracks from this page.

[DABhand]

1. Pirates are not warez users, this is what warez users like to call themselves, pirates are people who sell warez for profit.

2. Im sure there is people who misuse the site yes, but that is not the purpose of the site.

3. Im sure some are warez users who use lame bit torrent sites, because they dont have access to TS's, but people who are active mostly are not.

4. Wether it is EA or Activision et al, any cracks that will require online activation will never get hosted at GCW. And I said your bad spelling was familiar, I was not pointing fingers and laughing at you, but I can if you want :P

5. Nice way to say you steal games, yeah not so nice sounding is it when not using your "free" excuse.

6. Your original post was pointless, sure support the thief Kelsat if you want, its like looking in a mirror, as the old saying goes "thick as two thieves". So you would be in good company.

7. Question? What the hell is Endo Position anyways?

8. Hi Kelsat :P

[Chalirum]

Originally Posted by DABhand

7. Question? What the hell is Endo Position anyways?

Finger slipped

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Chalirum

Finger slipped

Ahh I see

[TippeX]

for me, code theft is code theft, the person stealing the code obviously does not have the skills required to do the work themselves and are just trying to make a name for themselves (at the real authors expense).. such actions only last a short time before people detect the truth...

for me, if even one example can be given of code theft from the original author (showing code that was injected etc, and the 'fake' code), then i am more than happy to analyse it and ask that the trainers using stolen code be removed

i've seen people using ripped code from my own tools and it does piss me off immensely so i fully understand the situation...

as for gcw being a bunch of pirates.. thats simply wrong, the rules are there about warez users.. anyone using warez on the site is banned, and there's quite a few cases of this happening recently

[Joe Forster/STA]

Some short answers, for clarification...

EA does complain about cracks for their games being hosted on GCW but so what? Also, cracks for their recent games are available on GameFix only as they're against GCW's (current) rule: only cracks against copy protections based on physical media are hosted.

We cannot know the exact purpose of GCW, the site, only Empire can. I have my guesses but I'm not sure if anyone would be interested. (Rest assured, it's not for the money coming from advertizers, though...) But it is a fact that the (current) rules strive to drive warez users away. However effective it is is quite similar to how effective other anti-piracy measures are: not much. It would be possible to create a site that no warez user can access - and it would be completely unusable, too, or its access would be so complicated that people would go to another site. What would be the point then? Compromises, people, compromises! On the other hand, I'm not sure if warez users actually need GCW: the vast majority of cracks, that appear on the site, originally come from a warez release that they probably have access to, in some way, if they already managed to get a pirated copy of the game.

As for the "activation cracks will never get hosted on GCW" idea, noone can tell for sure. Again, only one person knows the true purpose of the site and only he can make final decisions about it. There may be some day when such cracks will be hosted; it may simply depend on the ratio of interest from visitors vs. the "disinterest" from publishers.

Giving away/getting cracks for free and putting your name onto the work of some other person is different. We have an expression against the latter in Hungarian: "betyárbecsület" = "honor of rascals" (mirror translation); it means that criminals avoid messing with each other's interests. This also kind of shows in the pride of cracer groups sending fuck offs to each other for not fully working cracks, improper propers etc.: if insiders don't follow the rules and this behavior proliferates then the whole scene will break apart. [...] To avoid misunderstandings: I'm not suggesting that crackers or trainer authors are criminals - although the creations of either or both may be illegal in some countries. I'm merely pointing out that even criminals are supposed to have some hard limits of their own that no colleague may ever step through.

By the way, my mentality is also to get everything for free, if possible. I'm a communist, remember, and proud of it. But if there's any person with a different mentality, please, raise your hand: you have violated the second law of thermodynamics already!

[jeremy_mccurdy]

Just saying from a user's point of view here:
It really doesn't bother me in the least that Kelsat is ripping out code from Cheathappens trainers simply due to the fact that I'll never end up paying for a trainer, and I don't like waiting for a month or more for the free release.

GCW will keep my return visits as long as they provide NOCD cracks(so I don't have to sift through endless piles of discs) and trainers that are virus free and functional. I'd prefer to download a free trainer that's a bit buggy regardless of who made it, over trainers that are just demos that promote a paid site.

That said, I can understand where the CH folks are coming from. No one likes to have their work stolen/modified/whatever.

Still, if Kelsat and h4x0r aren't putting trojans/malware in their trainers, then I say leave them be for those of us who'd rather spend our money on games.

[Joe Forster/STA]

The "give us lots of stuff, no matter what" attitude is only a short-term solution. If GCW adhered to it, it would've been shut down ages ago, so we need more than that.

[jeremy_mccurdy]

I can understand a quality over quantity approach, but when a trainer is of a relatively similar quality of another one that would require people to pay, I don't see why hosting the free one should be considered bad practise.

[Joe Forster/STA]

When the core is stolen from another program, it's pretty obvious that the two programs should be of similar quality, right? So, this fact makes no difference at all...

TippeX hates to see his code reused in another software without authorization; I don't do such "mainstream" software but mine was being used without authorization, too, and I wasn't happy about it either. I think you've been outvoted.