S.T.A.L.K.E.R 1.0004 trainer

[Synaesthesia]

All I'm curious on is when did I became a "thief"? When I made that tutorial on how to update trainers? That's what's puzzling me. Was enough to show people how to do it, I immediately became the black sheep of all times related to this field of "activity". Also, what happens when you train a game on your own and stumble across the same code someone else has? Sure, your approach will differ, but would the other person be willing to test all your code before yelling you stole his shit? Of course not - they never read between the lines.

As for people downloading and me accusing, am not wrong at all. You may own your business, but you can't put your hand on your heart and affirm you've never downloaded a game either to play or train it...

P.S.: I am making my own stuff, and unlike others, I post it wide open in public so others can learn from it. Call me dumb for not making profit from it, it's just how I am. I never made any money out of selling my work. It surely isn't a tutorial, but that's what forums are good for - posting feedback and what you didn't understand from the post. I consider it moronic to debate on proving myself capable of doing all I "rant", since no matter what I'd do, I would be seen with the same eyes by some people. Talk about holding grudges. Related to coding, I've done that too, probably just to fend off the drive someone's gotten into me, but mostly because I needed it. No matter what language or scripting language a trainer is coded/written in, it's a trainer. Not being coded in a programming language and being called a noob for it is just a freaking trifle (whim - English is not my main language, so...)

Also, I never denied it's me, DAB You just didn't read between the lines. Wrote 2 or 3 times it's me

[Joe Forster/STA]

@Synaesthesia: You can find a small explanation about our (lack of) hypocrisy in the forum FAQ; I suggest you read it.

We don't (and can't) care if you obtain illegal stuff (re-distributing software against its license is illegal, there's no point in arguing about it), just don't discuss it on this forum. And, especially not in front of the very people who wrote that stuff.

Yes, I also prefer free software and, yes, I also give away my software for free. But that's beside the point: others have the right to not to do so, sell their software instead, and the best I can do is either buy it or ignore it. There are, of course, other possibilities but... again, see the hypocrisy explanation. And, yes, the whole world is much more complicated than discussing legally (?) obtained software on a forum but, well, this forum is not supposed to solve all the problems of the world either.

I see this is also beginning to sound like a rant so I'll stop now... Please, drop the topic; while you may be right on some issues, these are not the issues we deal with on this forum. Thanks!

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by DABhand

So why shouldnt someone who has sat through tonnes of anti-debugging code,DMA etc be able to earn from their hardwork. Its not easy especially with the newer games that come out.

you know (and its not directed at you dab, just you raised it), i really cant figure out what this whole big deal about DMA from trainer makers is all about, DMA is hardly revolutionary, hell, the protections did it, and even then it wasnt too difficult, just a bpm, back trace, find storage area, figure struct... or is this just some thing trainer makers can try and claim as something difficult?.. when the crackers have been doing it for ages.....

so theres only 2 types of reversers -> either a cracker (and a trainer) or a failed cracker who becomes a trainer

[Caliber]

couple things and then this is my last post.

1) i could care less if you take my trainer and pick it apart. maybe you will learn something. maybe you notice something we did that could be improved! at any rate, just don't post it on another website or torrent like you said you wouldn't when you signed up on the website. simple---

2) we have already implemented a tracing funtion in our trainers as of the last two weeks which has encrypted information in redundancy so that we can trace members who post improperly. members will be booted from the site with no refund if we find out work posted elsewhere. it isn't fair for the other paying members to get shafted by the bad members who post our work without our consent.... this doesn't mean that it won't happen, just that we are working to stop it.

3) how do you know where we get our games from? we have access to games and betas, demos, etc. because of who we are. our bioshock trainer came out before you could even get it on steam... and as you know, since you tell us you download illegally, there were no "cracked" versions of the game available for a week. how did that happen? elves and magic?

4) i never cracked a game in my life and released it to the public. i just make trainers, and sometimes have to deal with the protections that are in the game so i can train it. not sure how i fit into tippex's view of reversers... LOL!

blah-

i am not as annoyed by you sunbeam as some of the others are, but please don't make an enemy here where there wasn't one-

ok flame away!

-Cal

[pikachu5501]

no.. realy, why just make a forum on "why should i pay for a trainer", you know, for those how have mumy or the governement to pay everything for them so they will have a place to b1tch about how bad capitalism is. It is like we discusse about that more than training and coding itself .

No realy; if someone cant finish that game, why dont they get a job or something?

Caliber:
I have a little tiny bit favor to ask. i'v been posting quality +1 trainers for c&c3 for a while for everyone to enjoy but i cant find the health in c&c3. Can you give me just a little tinny winni hint.. i tried every thing; change, unchanged, decrease, increased.. in all type.. . I dont want you code or the cave code or anything like that but just a little little hint to help me to find that HP. I promess that i will credit you and you site on my next update.

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by pikachu5501

no.. realy, why just make a forum on "why should i pay for a trainer", you know, for those how have mumy or the governement to pay everything for them so they will have a place to b1tch about how bad capitalism is. It is like we discusse about that more than training and coding itself .

No realy; if someone cant finish that game, why dont they get a job or something?

Caliber:
I have a little tiny bit favor to ask. i'v been posting quality +1 trainers for c&c3 for a while for everyone to enjoy but i cant find the health in c&c3. Can you give me just a little tinny winni hint.. i tried every thing; change, unchanged, decrease, increased.. in all type.. . I dont want you code or the cave code or anything like that but just a little little hint to help me to find that HP. I promess that i will credit you and you site on my next update.

even if you find the bits of code that control the health, there are at least 4 areas that call the function i used to manipulate the health. so you would have to trace the calls and see which ones are useful (i.e. which one is calling when you mouse over the unit (i.e. the health bar gets drawn), etc. it's quite a chore and i don't know you so i have no idea your ability and it would take quite some time to go over this.

i think the values where float, if i remember. also the game is a bit squirrely with troops since it lists a health for all troops but in fact each troop has it's own health amount so it's best to trace with a vehicle, not a troop. PM me about this and maybe we can talk more about it.

my plasma force health option is another discussion entirely as it took quite a while to trace that code down....

best,
Cal

[pikachu5501]

even if you find the bits of code that control the health, there are at least 4 areas that call the function i used to manipulate the health. so you would have to trace the calls and see which ones are useful (i.e. which one is calling when you mouse over the unit (i.e. the health bar gets drawn), etc. it's quite a chore and i don't know you so i have no idea your ability and it would take quite some time to go over this.

i think the values where float, if i remember. also the game is a bit squirrely with troops since it lists a health for all troops but in fact each troop has it's own health amount so it's best to trace with a vehicle, not a troop. PM me about this and maybe we can talk more about it.

my plasma force health option is another discussion entirely as it took quite a while to trace that code down....

whoa, that's a lot of informations, well, thanx a lot. If i manage to do a +2 trainer with unlimited hp, i will certainly credit you. Thank you again.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by TippeX

you know (and its not directed at you dab, just you raised it), i really cant figure out what this whole big deal about DMA from trainer makers is all about, DMA is hardly revolutionary, hell, the protections did it, and even then it wasnt too difficult, just a bpm, back trace, find storage area, figure struct... or is this just some thing trainer makers can try and claim as something difficult?.. when the crackers have been doing it for ages.....

so theres only 2 types of reversers -> either a cracker (and a trainer) or a failed cracker who becomes a trainer

Was just going through a list of what a trainer maker has to go through sometimes, DMA came from the top of my head, I could have easily said code shifting also.

[apache-]

Great Debate!, well at least so far
lol TippeX ..failed cracker..trainer...huh ..made me smile actually.
opinions..wow quite a few you guys seem to forget, when you sub for trainers your not just subbing for one file , you have a vast , vast! i say database of trainers cheats and a whole shaboodle of experiance to draw from, so the next time you see a super-duper trainer thats only available as premium content ..dont be so near sighted , think ahead ..you will have todays..tomorrows next weeks nexts months ..yesterdays last months ..last years the year before that ... totally 100% on the right spot the real mcoy dudes that can more than likely answer your question within a very short period of time with help when you have fucked up something..no need to wonder if that motherfucker who leaked a trainer has also added a few bad things to the files before they stick it it a forum link or rapidshare or whatever..because your in good hands and dealing with professional programers which are part of established sites who have your benefit first and foremost in their thoughts





on a second note hi everyone have fun, chat next time

[sheep]

dma has nothing to do with training games, if you train a game properly you never come across it, no trainer maker has ever said "SHIT THAT DMA WAS HARD TO GET AROUND" thats what idiots say BEFORE they know what it is, its as simple as that.

[DABhand]

I didnt say it was hard sheep, I said they come across it. And I was listing ideas from the top of my head.

So dont start with me. My name aint begining with an S!

[TippeX]

the failed cracker thing wasnt directed at anyone, just anyone who can train, say to sheeps level (and others) could im sure remove protection too....its the same sort of 'game'.. needle in a haystack code finding -> figuring out how to ab(use) it.... and so on.. but most dont get to that level and are happy making crap trainers, or ones that dont work 100%
and i have to agree with the 'dma' thing... theres 0 difficultly about it... just requires skill finding the ptr to the struct, or the ptr to the ptr of the struct or whatnot

[Synaesthesia]

Originally Posted by TippeX

but most dont get to that level and are happy making crap trainers, or ones that dont work 100%

It was never about that. It was about the fact that when, at your level, manage to train something YOUR WAY, some challenged person comes stating he could've done it 21731289471289 other EASIER different ways around. I'm OK with that, instead of barking you're good and whatnot, show those other 328472984792 ways and teach others. If you don't want to, then better not post in first place and prove your point by training the game your way...

Anyway, I made this CT back in v1.01 of the game. If anyone's interested in updating it, be my guest. It can also be made dynamic (creating a function that scans the memory starting from point a, ranged x -> scan(a,x) - for recognition patterns, allowing you this way to have a fully working script even when game updates).



Doesn't have as many options as other trainers do, and also doesn't contain RIPPED stuff (just in case, some ppl might wrongly accuse T_T)...

Link to CT file (you'll need Cheat Engine 5.3) » http://www.mediafire.com/?5hm4hipnvmk

P.S.: Not all people like to complicate things by learning how to use a memory editor. It's called laziness and it's your choice. The above is meant for those who want a bit of a challenge, more than just playing a game (which is boring). Don't shoot the poster!

@apache: Dude, instead of talking to us about your business, you'd better correct the typos on main site T_T -> "MAKE SURE YOUR REGISTERED...OR YOU WONT..." in the flash "screener"...



So what if it's flash and you can't find a way to use an apostrophe? Thought you were smart

[sheep]

hahah dab.. no need to get ur dress out of tilt mate, i didnt even read what you had written, that reply was directed at my friend tippex.

Tippex seems to have a dislike for simple trainers which i agree with 100% especially when they become the norm, which over the last few months they certainly have done, tippex has done some impressive stuff in the past both publically and personally im sure and as a reflection of this his bar could be set a little higher than most.. i just settle for the fact that u will always have morons who dont have the ability to learn from their own motivations and drive, sunbeam for instance.. people like myself and tippex could have been given a computer in a locked room and because there is something fundamentally inquisitive buried deep in us (meet a real cracker and u will know what i mean) we would still have managed (through trial and error) many of the things we are infamous for today.. the OTHER type of people would have shit in a corner and be playing with that instead.. because they have no direction from others.. personally ive never read a tutorial on training games ever.. i would say cracking is more long winded than training and you certainly need to know a whole lot more about how a system works and by these criteria alone i would obviously say cracking is harder though i do see both challenges the same, its just that if i fail at training an option ive only spent a day or 2 at most on trying to break it.. cracking, when u fail u tend to have wasted weeks... certainly a massive sway in which way i went in the scene. The great crackers were the ones with the resolve to pick themselves up after those failures.. at least thats how i see it ..

[TippeX]

agreed, my bar may be a bit too high, sheep and probably others know why,
and Synaesthesia i have nothing to prove to you at all, and i cant see why you took the statements personally... sheep is right in many respects, and i do find myself agreeing with him (which is something he and i didnt always do).. quality control scene wise has dropped heavily, bad cracks, crap trainers and so on... so maybe my bar hasnt dropped, perhaps the quality has...