Sicheats (h4x0r) trainers now contain DRM but why?

[otheruser]

Originally Posted by tazzoun

First of all, I have been downloading trainers from here for a long time. I am not some kind of cheathappens lover so please don't dismiss me as such like you do everyone else that says a negative word about h4x0r.

I just downloaded the FEAR 3 trainer by h4x0r from the GCW website. Apparently to use this FREE trainer I have to go to sicheats.com, create an account there, create a FACEBOOK account, download some kind of key and then always leave my internet connection on so the FREE trainer can authenticate itself. Say what? How exactly is this different than cheathappens again? The only reason a FREE trainer would need all this type of crap is so that the creator can harvest the information being collected and sell it off to advertisers, etc.

After looking further at this "authentication" process of h4x0r's trainer, I then learned that it also carries with it a malicious payload that stays resident in memory even after the trainer is done. It actively scans memory and HD for anything with the word "cheathappens" and then attaches a viral signature to it so those files no longer function. This can easily be reproduced and examined by anyone with a debugger or memory scanner using the files from GCW or h4x0rs website.

So, I must ask the obvious question -- why does GCW continue to entertain this stuff from h4x0r? Seriously, is he paying you guys to host this crap?

So now I have to jump through about 10 hoops plus give h4x0r my personal information just to use a FREE trainer that I downloaded from GCW. What's next you guys? Selling trainers like cheathappens?

ok first: Join Date: Jun 2011 ( coincidence? ), sure...

Second: read here I can only envy h4x0r #, fans...

third: yes, you need learn: http://www.sicheats.com/index.php?ca...7&topic_id=979

fourth: before reister in sicheats you can read

*Facebook validation is required in this site for login ( User Validation )
*Proxys no allowed in this site.
*Internet connection and a free key is need for validate trainer.
--------------------------------------
Website visualzation problems?
Try opening (cmd console ) and type ipconfig /flushdns or in to site using the www.sicheats.com
If you do not agree with the security of the site, click HERE

not to mention useless to PWIZARD continue to believe that published data, you expect to get something, painful.

to see if they learn to respect one time, the thing is easy, if you do not like DO NOT GO, by all means try to fuck someone and they're not going to get.

these security measures are necessary when there both assholes loose network.

the only ones who steal information are CH, you can read here:

http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=89266
http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=89685
http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=88964

CH = Criminals

[Sneaky Guy]

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

Personally I dont care what h4x0r does with his trainers but it's pretty stupid for gcw to keep posting them if you cant even use them without some stupid login and key from his website.

Agreed.
This petty war with whoever is just stupid, and now, if the Trainers ARE indeed his,
why bring that war to the user forcing the user to take unecessary steps?
That make you think the programmer is also childish.

Originally Posted by darkedone02

I agree, why upload them if they don't work?

It probably does work, if you could get a key, which obviously some people can (see below).

Originally Posted by comdisco

It isn't even possible to register on their site. I've tried w/ several email addresses and it just says "Your email address has been banned".
...

Same here, wasted 3 perfectly good legit e-mail addresses trying to register.
Now I will have to monitor those 3 addresses to see how much Spam arrives.

As far as needing a Facebook account to register, why?
Besides the fact that I neither have, nor ever want an account with that hype site, why does one NEED a Facebook account?

In my opinion that lends weight to tazzoun's (the original poster) suspicion, that this haxor's "Trainer" is acting like a Trojan.

And also in my opinion, to which I am indeed entitled, the FEAR 3 Trainer,
and any other Trainers by Haxor using this method, should be removed from the site until such time as he removes this "Activation".

If people protest by NOT using his Trainers with "Activation",
my guess is his ego will then produce the Trainers without the "Activation", in order to stay in the stagelight.

[Maxgrilo]

Wow, "otheruser" has the exact same vocabulary as h4x0r. I thought he was suspended or something?

Also, Joe, the facebook validation is being turned on and off randomly on h4x0rs website. You are still required to allow SiCheats access to your facebook account before you can login or register there, depending on the time of day.

@comdisco -- the problem you are facing is that most new games have steam anti-cheat protection built in and most trainer makers like h4x0r, lingon, hog, etc do not know how to defeat them so their trainers randomly crash the game when the protections kick in. So far I only know of a couple of people capable of defeating the protections (cheathappens, sheep, etc). The only way to sometimes make those other trainers work is by using the steam cracked exe's (can I talk about that here?) which removes some of the anticheat protection but usually also goofs up steam, the steam cloud, etc which is also becoming more and more necessary to sync your savegames, etc.

[Sneaky Guy]

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

Wow, "otheruser" has the exact same vocabulary as h4x0r. I thought he was suspended or something?
...

Suspendiing an account CANNOT stop the person being suspended from taking part in the Forum.
All that person needs to do is get a new IP address, usually by rebooting the Router, and register under another name.
The only way to ban a particular user effectivly, is IF that user is forced to use a static IP,
then the IP rather than the user would be banned, effectivly banning the user through his IP.

But I am sure there are also ways around that.

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

...
Also, Joe, the facebook validation was turned off for a short bit on h4x0rs website but is now back on. You sre still required to allow SiCheats access to your facebook account before you can login or register there.

The question remains, WHY does this haxor need access to your Facebook account?
Doing so is giving him free access to all your information.
The last time I looked, this was known as Phishing or a Trojan.

As I said before, in my book, due to the above, ALL his Trainers using this method should be deleted,
and no new Trainers should be accepted until this method is taken out of his Trainers.

If done that way, this haxors ego will not allow him to simply stop making Trainers,
probably resulting in him taking that method out of his Trainers.

[otheruser]

only trolls here.

BLA BLA BLA

[Maxgrilo]

So, Joe is a troll at his own website? Face it h4x0r, people have finally grown tired of your bullshit and are speaking up about it.

[otheruser]

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

So, Joe is a troll at his own website? Face it h4x0r, people have finally grown tired of your bullshit and are speaking up about it.

joe no, you and rest speaking without knowing, but it is fun to watch people freak astronomic drawing conclusions.

and if, something is right, I'm glad to know that people like YOU, not return to sicheats

[Ronburi]

I'm afraid I have to chime in here as well. This new DRM by h4x0r is both stupid and useless and has no place at GCW. I'm NOT giving h4x0r any of my personal info and especially not access to my facebook account just so I can download some stupid key to use a trainer that is supposed to be free. I'll just have to find truly free trainers elsewhere.

[Maxgrilo]

I think that the silliest thing is that wasn't GCW supposed to be a place for files that REMOVE DRM or are DRM FREE? I mean, people come here to find no-cd fixes and such that remove this kind of stuff and now they are posting stuff that is the exact opposite.

[otheruser]

but someone forces you to go to the site?, pathetic!

only trolls here!

[Joe Forster/STA]

I BEG YOU, someone, please, explain to me why cross-authentication via Facebook allows access to personal data on Facebook (or anyone else)?!

@otheruser: h4x0r, you've been banned for a few months. Spend your time wisely and especially don't come back to abuse people, about which I already warned you many, many times! Also, if you listen to me, you remove this "DRM" as soon as possible. If you implemented it for some kind of safety (whose safety: yours or your users'?!) then, rest assured, people will find a way to crack it or circumvent it in some way. (If noone else, then, perhaps, Cheathappens will, just to mess with you.) Don't descend to Cheathappens' level, continue releasing completely free trainers and ignore everything you hear from and/or about them! This "escalating vendetta" won't lead either you or them anywhere so be smarter than them and be the one to stop it. There's a Hungarian saying: "the smart one gives in, the ass [the animal or a stupid person] suffers."

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

I think that the silliest thing is that wasn't GCW supposed to be a place for files that REMOVE DRM or are DRM FREE? I mean, people come here to find no-cd fixes and such that remove this kind of stuff and now they are posting stuff that is the exact opposite.

Noone is "posting" stuff other than users/visitors; read my post above about not checking incoming files more than automated virus scanning!

Originally Posted by AFKGun

And to respond to those who in difficulty getting a working v16 trainer, here's the one i use. Rep+ for KelSat. I hope this trainer get post to gamecopyworld DB too.

Noone will "post" it unless you do, now that you found it.

[AFKGun]

I was recently looking for FEAR3 trainer and i got h4x0r's since it support v16. Found out it has this 'DRM' crap i thought he's starting to "gather" our personal info for money or stuff. Tbh -rep to him doing it this way.

And to respond to those who in difficulty getting a working v16 trainer, here's the one i use. Rep+ for KelSat. I hope this trainer get post to gamecopyworld DB too.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/12y61l

[Maxgrilo]

I think you are missing the whole point Joe. The fact is that GCW is now hosting trainers that feature DRM which is against all this site stands for.

Also, someone at GCW obviously "posted" it on the main website as they even included a note next to the trainer stating that it requires a key and internet connection. I don't think that was automated, if it was then you guys have some Terminator style web coding.

[AFKGun]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Noone will "post" it unless you do, now that you found it.

Like post it to the download section? I don't know how! There's no even a submit page i think?!

[vitu]

I'm ususally more of a listener/reader rather than talker/writer and thus didn't need to use an acount here, possibly never again will and thus it will most likely sound quite ironic since i just made an acount here but hey...

Awfull lot of june joiners here. Especially another guy with supossedly KelSat tr. Guess i'll wait and see.

Anyway, right to the point, followed the entire ch/haxor "war" for quite a while, never was a ch fan (well, atleast ever since they pushed for paid services) more so when they started to delete or censor my comments about their soft and policy, not to mention the effort to discredit all the "scene" workers. Didn't care for new "security" mesures much - considered them another childish step in this disagreement so i made me a new, empty acc on FB (didn't have one to begin with) figuring FB being so "big" and all would have enough security measures so that it wouldn't backfire to me personally. Did all the rest of sicheats registration and validation process only to find that the trainer doesn't work with the nocd ver. Well... Ok guess it wasn't designed for that. Enough said i went on to try few of my own tricks (i know a bit of cpp and stuff but i'm more of an average Joe so i didn't do much) and i forgot. But... if what original poster said is true i'd be very concerned about the future of haxors' trainers.

So, if one of you, oh great hackers could confirm (or deny ) that before i figure how to check it myself i'd be much obliged.

@ H4x0r: Great work until now. Thanks. However you messed up big time this time. Hope you stop screwing around and keep up the good work.

One of your fans.