Where do you get useable trainers these days?

[STN]

It's a buggy CE table and not a trainer, anyway.

whoa..i think i read something else in response to Geri's thread completely different than your response here.

Anyway, please stay away from my trainers, i do care what the user of my trainers thinks about it and if he doesn't give a shit that i made it, i get very pissed. This sort of attitude is typical of leechers and the reason why i stopped working hard on my free trainers, look at this for example ( youtube [dot] com/watch?v=wQxt6MDGOXY), that is a No Enemy option like in my BF3 trainer but its not in the free version. Could have easily made a 20+ but i am letting Kelsat take the glory..heh

Joe: I am done, you won't see any more post from me in this thread. Just let this one live.

[Geri]

Depends on what you call buggy CE table. As you can see in that topic, the game has a bunch of memory checks (unlike many other and older games) and even though they could be bypassed one by one, nobody has bothered with it. If you use the table as it was described, it should work perfectly. If you don't like it, don't use it. You can still use Kelsat's Arkham City trainer. If he has a working trainer for it...

On a side note, CE's stealthedit plugin is working perfectly fine on Arkham City (with a very small modification) and I use 6.2 + stealthedit to play AC. 100% crash free. But as most people are using 6.1 and not an upcoming alpha version, it would be totally useless to upload my script anywhere, even if it is working fine.

So if you don't like what Cielos has done, just don't use it. Make your own or use something else, noone is stopping you from making your own cheats (except the bunch of anti-cheat protections that are built in today's games).


EDIT:
And yes, I know that most users doesn't give a damn about those who are creating the trainers for them, but I don't see why is the surprise about the drop rate of free trainers when all you can expect is flaming if something is not working perfectly. You do something for free and you get flaming. It's a perfect business model...

[Desu[Shield]]

If you're really itching for a trainer usage you can always use Cheat Engine directly. Takes awhile to learn how to use it but once you do, it's not that bad.

[darkedone02]

I only know how to apply AoB's for Flash games, but I don't find or tinker with them, just give me a AoB and I know how to add it, and basic search and find with instructions. I don't know how to make my own infinite health and Mana/ God Mode, or make a instant construction build, I just plainly know the basics and only search for a trainer/table that contains the contents that i am looking forward to.

[-sheep-]

Before i start - note to admin.. i have no idea why my account seems to be banned.. i stopped posting on this forum "about?" 2 years ago.. and i certainly didnt have a ban in the time before that, this is why i have created this one..

EVERYTHING!!! moves on... if we go back 10 years.. the trainer scene was a bustling, thriving environment with all sorts of colorful characters releasing for FREE.. infact the thought of selling a trainer was frowned upon and restricted only to those really shady chinese chappies who were selling online hacks for Runequest and the like..

These were the golden years of trainer making.. it forged a lot of good trainer makers who today are sadly not around or just not practising their art.. when a talent rose to show his metal he was quickly recruited by one of the SCENE groups around at the time.. and if you were really good you managed to catch the eye of groups such as FAIRLIGHT / CLASS / DEVIANCE / DIVINE etc etc.. we thought these days would never end.. THEY DID!!

What changed the course of this scene was mainly the busts that happened.. a lot of my friends and other sceners were given choices by the federal government to stop their trade or face serious time.. it felt like our battleship of a scene had been hit by a fucking meteorite and all that was left were a few of us clinging onto the remnants of the wreckage..

EVERYTHING!!! moves on.. and so from this period (talking from a trainer makers point of view) we were pushed into another scene that was just in its infancy .. the web based cheat crews.. these little crews that rlsed absolutely DREADFUL!!!! trainers were popping up all over the place.. obviously the biggest being CES at the time.. id love to go into all the drama that went on back then but it would fill gigabytes of pages to get a real feel for these times.. once again.. this spawned a number of wonderful years releasing onto the net.. and once again.. ALL FREE!!

EVERYTHING!!! moves on.. and so we come to our current cycle of trainer releasing.. and really my reason for writing this little diatribe.

Currently we have a culture that are managing to profit from their good works.. obviously i have no problem with this as I have taken my fair share of this little "TRAINER PIE".. there are pros and cons to this new cycle that i have thought about at length..

I guess the main PRO and something that is a huge positive move for the scene is that when you SELL your products you are completely accountable for them.. if your work is complete shit and only works half the time then you will sell very few.. if you have a reputation for constant good working trainers then your certainly going to make an impact on people who like value for money.. this sorts the good from the bad trainers in my opinion, its probably why a few people can ONLY release their shit for free aswell.

The big CON!! that i have noticed the most.. is that we lose our sense of community.. you cant TALK about your latest options.. and how fucking cool it was when you FINALLY!! after 30 hours of reversing managed to find that illusive peice of code... because any info you give away can be used to produce duplicates or even to down right copy your work completely.. you end up not trusting anyone and thats a sad place to be..

I saw this evolution coming.. and let me tell you why!!!

I have released trainers FREE and PROFIT for over 15 years... at least 10 of those spent releasing FREE to the community.. and in all those years i managed to observe a trend that every trainer maker MUST!! have noticed even if your microcosm of a career is now or way back then.. its best explained thusly..

PRAISE FOR FREE TRAINERS
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IDIOT COMPLAINTS FOR FREE TRAINERS
==============================
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?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????

GENUINE COMPLAINTS FOR FREE TRAINERS
================================
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AND NOW!!!!!........

PRAISE FOR PROFIT TRAINERS
=======================
??????? <-- these are "relatively" produced praising emails from people.

IDIOT COMPLAINTS FOR PROFIT TRAINERS
================================
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????
??????

GENUINE COMPLAINTS FOR PROFIT TRAINERS
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??????? <-- i guess its more because when people buy a trainer they are
the best testers.. because they dont want to waste money
they will test the thing to DEATH!! and always let u know if
they have a problem..


The numbers speak for themselves.. of course a FREE trainer will spread more so it its bound to generate more feedback.. but those figures are PRO RATA..

Its simple.. GOOD trainer makers decided long ago.. if every trainer gets the same morons spreading bullshit about it and NOT getting the praise and admiration they deserve.. (which is the case for 99% of all trainers - even amazing ones) then why not charge these morons for the privilege of putting you down.. you shut out all the haters.. and you get a little something on the side for doing something you love..

THIS IS EVOLUTION.. the trainer scene was ALWAYS!! coming to this point.. Games companies are doing the same shit.. charging for DLC and last year for the first time id witnessed it.. ACTIVISION (one of the biggest games promoters in the world) started selling CHEATS.. i had to smile..

thats my 2 pence.. it may look different for people coming in from other places.. but this is certainly why you are seeing LESS and LESS "GOOD" free trainers these days.. and yes.. it saddens me.

[SHEEP]

[Joe Forster/STA]

I'm not sure if we agree or disagree on this but: work is not what you get money for, it's what you do responsibly.

[-sheep-]

hey, erm.. im not exactly sure what you mean.. that is if your response was directed at me.. i would imagine everyone has the opinion that work is exactly what we get paid for? Im pretty sure thats why its called work. If it was to me please clarify a little more.. thanks.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Originally Posted by -sheep-

i would imagine everyone has the opinion that work is exactly what we get paid for? Im pretty sure thats why its called work.

Right, I understood you correctly then. That's a major point that we disagree on.

You can work for free, e.g. nuns as nurses in hospitals during war time, and you can do nothing for a salary, e.g. most people high enough in financial establishments. (Have you recently seen news about "some" employees of Barclay's illegally affecting LIBOR, to earn billions - for Englishmen: trillions - of dollars?) If one is raised with the notion that one should work for not the money but for the pleasure of having achieved something or, at least, having done something useful for the society that keeps him/her alive then there is no disappointment about a too low (or high) salary either.

The fact that most people believe in what you say - and I agree it that the majority does - shows how sick this whole society is. The kind of society I am talking about would give a truly happy life - being a useful member of society - for every citizen, including e.g. toilet cleaners - which are, by the way, considered the lowest possible while, in truth, are doing a job much, much more important than bankers do. (Don't believe me? Imagine that toilet cleaners and bankers go on a strike. Which is going to be harder to endure?)

The amount of money you earn should be proportional to the usefulness (to society) of your work. You probably agree with me on this. Actually, I think everybody agrees with me on this. That's the theory. However, from this theory it follows that it should be teachers, doctors, nurses, ambulance people, policemen, firemen who earn among the highest. But tell you what: genuine, benevolent, honest politicians should, too, earn a lot. After all, they are the people whose work has a great effect on the whole society. Now, apart from politicians, are these professions those with some of the highest salaries? No. That's global hypocrisy at its worst.

But you can still choose (not be forced!) to do free work, that is, favors to certain members of society and assume that you'll get favors, too. It's just a matter of whether the feedback is positive or negative, whether the cycle is vicious or virtuous.

What boils down to this topic, in practice: talented programmers should have a job that earns them enough money and still have enough spare time to do hobby projects, the favors I described above. Unfortunately, some people are forced to become entrepreneurs, without letting them exploit (in a positive meaning) their potentials fully. This is a bad mistake of society, a serious waste of the most precious resource: human intelligence. Of course, if someone becomes an entrepreneur by his/her own choice then noone else can be blamed for the consequences, including their software getting pirated. Except for the whole society, that is, where ripping off is a virtue, not a shame, so everyone does that all the time (see negative feedback).

The typical and also wrong answer to warez is adding ever more sophisticated copy protection to software which, on the other hand, spoils users experience. In effect, copy protection punishes the wrong people which results in disappointment, bitterness, lack of credibility, an increasing abyss between software authors and users. This is what you're experiencing and, if you choose the typical answer, it won't change either, rather only gets even grimmer.

Unfortunately, most of those who have taken part in the "trainer war" or other trainer-related discussion are way too biased and shortsighted to see the events, that happen(ed) to them, in a greater context. I'm not saying that you're completely wrong on all accounts but these tirades look like pitiful whining to most people, especially users who "just" want free and working trainers, and consequently won't get you anywhere. You should switch from negative feedback - that is, getting disappointed about being ripped off by everyone - to positive feedback - that is, continuing to produce whatever gives you and your users pleasure and getting you well-earned praise for it - and everything good will follow from this. If you don't expect anything, it will be a nice surprise for you to actually get something. Positive thought waves, people!

[-sheep-]

ok, for starters we are both coming at this from COMPLETELY!!! different directions.. and i think its a little unfair that you take my point of view, which is based primarily and ONLY on the trainer scene and then apply this to take into consideration the whole of societies woes..

I come from a simple standpoint of explaining my actions (and others) encapsulating one VERY tiny aspect of commerce invading a hobby i once loved to cultivate for free. Society as a whole and the TRAINER COMMUNITY are 2 very different gene pools to take any kind of surface data, after all.. we are on a TRAINER MAKING FORUM!! are we not?? unless ive wondered into the social economical and moral reforms forum by mistake?

If you ask me to comment on all of this from a social standpoint then i agree with you pretty much verbatim, i think police and doctors should be paid as much as movie stars and sports players.. we have society fucked up completely.. we idolise, revere and reward the USELESS!!!! and we dont take care of our professions that actually contribute to society in a positive way..

FIGHT THE POWER!!!