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[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Fox22743

Looks like an almost complete ripoff of my supreme commander 1

When using commonly found pics from the Net then yes you are always going to find similarities between conversions. If a conversion looks similar to yours then you should take that as a compliment that someone thought your work was decent enough to refer too when creating their own conversions/installers.

It not like any of us here actually 'own' the pics used on the installers therefore none of us can really say 'it looks like my installer'.

And you need to make up your mind on something, its either an 'almost' ripoff or a 'complete' ripoff, it cant be both. If its a little like yours then its 'almost' which means its not exactly the same. If its 'complete' then it would be an 'exact' replica of your work, which this isn't.

Good to see you here tho Fox.

[Nickelangelo]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

If a conversion looks similar to yours then you should take that as a compliment that someone thought your work was decent enough to refer too when creating their own conversions/installers.

And you need to make up your mind on something, its either an 'almost' ripoff or a 'complete' ripoff, it cant be both. If its a little like yours then its 'almost' which means its not exactly the same. If its 'complete' then it would be an 'exact' replica of your work, which this isn't.

interesting point but should this taken as a compliment as well?
this WATCH_DOGS conversion is 1:1 copy of bamse's conversion where "created by bamse" was removed, same pictures were made a bit darker and poorly photoshopped (probably ripping off from temp files because not having access to source material). in other words, plagiarism should be considered as "compliment"?

Originally Posted by Grumpy

It not like any of us here actually 'own' the pics used on the installers therefore none of us can really say 'it looks like my installer'.

that is completely true, we can't argue that but if someone took the time to create this conversion (same conversion as above as example) why hasn't he left everything as it is and just made a note "created by bamse, updated to latest version by me"?

same thing for Wolfenstein - The New Order. you (grumpy) have "credits" for graphics of that conversion yet that conversion is a plagiated version of revo's conversion with "revolution graphic arts" removed. i guess that should be considered as a "compliment" as well?

I am all for updating conversions to latest versions of the game when new update or dlc gets released but this is ridiculous. hogging the credits for something that you just modified, not created from nothing.

[Grumpy]

Without downloading the WatchDogs conversions and just going on the installer pics then again these are just images which are easily obtained from the Net, so you could say both conversions have plagiarised someone else's work just by using the pics in the first place. And my eyes are getting old but I can see a thanks to Bamse from pakrat, if that thanks was posted with the conversion or edited in later I do not know.

Originally Posted by Nickelangelo

if someone took the time to create this conversion ...... why hasn't he left everything as it is and just made a note "created by bamse, updated to latest version by me"?

Originally Posted by Nickelangelo

same thing for Wolfenstein - The New Order. you (grumpy) have "credits" for graphics of that conversion yet that conversion is a plagiated version of revo's conversion with "revolution graphic arts" removed.

I was writing my reply before you edited your post mentioning 'my' Wolfenstein Installer.

Glad you bring it up though cause it goes brilliantly with your above quote.

I Re-Created Wolfenstein using images I found on the Net, the graphic editing was done soley by myself, things like adding the Nazi Symbol into the Moon was done soley by myself, nothing came from Revo. The fact it looks like Revo's is because he too just found the pics on the net. But his installer had flaws which I didn't like. (they are mentioned in another thread so not about to note them all again here).
It was also only made for DVD5's.
Revo was asked to make changes to his installer ....... he chose not to.

So I myself recreated the installer to fix the errors, fix the flaws and fixed the attention to detail.
I did not edit or modify an installer made by someone else!
At no point did I need to edit out 'revolution graphic arts' using photoshop from any of the pics I found online because it simply was not on any of them? Some lowlife must have added that to someone elses pic they found on the net and tried to pass if off as thier own! Oh the shock horror of it all!!

So No I dont need to thank anyone for my Wolfenstein conversion except for yener. Pics didnt come from Revo, photoshoping wasnt done by revo, actually for my particular installer nothing came from Revo.
As for not creating it from 'nothing', when I first created a Temp folder for the conversion there was 'nothing' in it. I stared with the pics from the net, found all the pics i needed and put them in the Temp folder but before that the folder had 'nothing' in it. Yes I did in fact start that conversion from nothing.

[Nickelangelo]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Without downloading the WatchDogs conversions and just going on the installer pics then again these are just images which are easily obtained from the Net, so you could say both conversions have plagiarised someone else's work just by using the pics in the first place. And my eyes are getting old but I can see a thanks to Bamse from pakrat, if that thanks was posted with the conversion or edited in later I do not know.

sure, it says that original conversion came from bamse and i could believe that images were obtained from internet and not modified from original conversion if not for bamse's logo being present in both and then erased from pakrat's. was it really nesesary to remove bamse's logo or what ever you want to call it?

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I Re-Created Wolfenstein using images I found on the Net, the graphic editing was done soley by myself, things like adding the Nazi Symbol into the Moon was done soley by myself, nothing came from Revo. The fact it looks like Revo's is because he too just found the pics on the net.

i salute the idea of fixing bugs in the installer but recreating the conversion in 1:1 makes it look like complete plagiat.

simple comparison
revos autorun


your autorun


u can't deny that they look pretty much indentical the same. same autorun sizes, same button und language bar positions.

[BAMsE]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Without downloading the WatchDogs conversions and just going on the installer pics then again these are just images which are easily obtained from the Net, so you could say both conversions have plagiarised someone else's work just by using the pics in the first place. And my eyes are getting old but I can see a thanks to Bamse from pakrat, if that thanks was posted with the conversion or edited in later I do not know.

Images used in my conversion are MINE, can't be found on the net. They are combined from common gfx, multi-layered and distorted to match overall appearance. Even T-Bone on autorun is edited, becauce there is NO uncensored fuck you gesture on the net.

So FF... as T-Bone did... fuck you.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by BAMsE

Images used in my conversion are MINE, can't be found on the net. They are combined from common gfx, multi-layered and distorted to match overall appearance. Even T-Bone on autorun is edited, becauce there is NO uncensored fuck you gesture on the net.

So FF... as T-Bone did... fuck you.

Bamse, I did say "Without downloading the WatchDogs conversions and just going on the installer pics", obviously I was wrong, my apologies.

Originally Posted by KaktoR

if someone wants a DVD9 conversion of a already existing DVD5 conversion then there is a way to get that through external Setup.ini if the creator decide to not make these options, or? I think no one has a problem when someone comes up and post a Setup.ini file with dvd9/blueray/whatever options for the creators conversion (like i did on gatosky's Sims 4 conversion for example). Just my two cents.

I did post the file listing etc to suit DVD9 for Revo to make changes, he chose not to so I chose to do it. Again nothing was used from Revo's conversion by me, none of the pics were Revo's in the first place so I had no qualms doing the whole process myself. I 'did' create it and my name is not plastered all over it. Why would I put someone else's name on it if it was me who did all the work. I've said this before and will say it once more, I used Revo's Wolfenstein conversion as a learning tool as he used most of the features of Yener's script but the workmanship was sloppy to say the least. It was just a rushed job in my opinion. I have an eye for detail and fixed the flaws. The conversion was for myself only, it was never going to be released onto the net, but since Revo wouldn't budge on the changes I did it myself. It is as simple as that.

[KaktoR]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I did post the file listing etc to suit DVD9 for Revo to make changes, he chose not to so I chose to do it. Again nothing was used from Revo's conversion by me, none of the pics were Revo's in the first place so I had no qualms doing the whole process myself. I 'did' create it and my name is not plastered all over it. Why would I put someone else's name on it if it was me who did all the work. I've said this before and will say it once more, I used Revo's Wolfenstein conversion as a learning tool as he used most of the features of Yener's script but the workmanship was sloppy to say the least. It was just a rushed job in my opinion. I have an eye for detail and fixed the flaws. The conversion was for myself only, it was never going to be released onto the net, but since Revo wouldn't budge on the changes I did it myself. It is as simple as that.

Oh sorry, the point "erasing names" didn't goes out to you.

[KaktoR]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

And my eyes are getting old but I can see a thanks to Bamse from pakrat, if that thanks was posted with the conversion or edited in later I do not know.

Well, in my oppinion then there is no need to erase a name out of the picture. Seriously, don't get me wrong, but, for example, if someone wants a DVD9 conversion of a already existing DVD5 conversion then there is a way to get that through external Setup.ini if the creator decide to not make these options, or? I think no one has a problem when someone comes up and post a Setup.ini file with dvd9/blueray/whatever options for the creators conversion (like i did on gatosky's Sims 4 conversion for example). Just my two cents.

[Nickelangelo]

Originally Posted by KaktoR

Well, in my oppinion then there is no need to erase a name out of the picture. Seriously, don't get me wrong, but, for example, if someone wants a DVD9 conversion of a already existing DVD5 conversion then there is a way to get that through external Setup.ini if the creator decide to not make these options, or? I think no one has a problem when someone comes up and post a Setup.ini file with dvd9/blueray/whatever options for the creators conversion (like i did on gatosky's Sims 4 conversion for example). Just my two cents.

exactly. i did not make any conversion so far. i am not familiar with the process and i am not that skilled with ps. if i ever do, i will not claimi that i created the graphics from nothing but if i took the time to look for the pictures, make something shiny and nice and put in that conversion that it was me who compiled everything, i think it should remain there. and then if someone wants to update the conversion, thats ok. take credit for modifying it but do not remove my credit for making it in the first place.

[pakrat2k2]

Originally Posted by Nickelangelo

interesting point but should this taken as a compliment as well?
this WATCH_DOGS conversion is 1:1 copy of bamse's conversion where "created by bamse" was removed, same pictures were made a bit darker and poorly photoshopped (probably ripping off from temp files because not having access to source material). in other words, plagiarism should be considered as "compliment"?


that is completely true, we can't argue that but if someone took the time to create this conversion (same conversion as above as example) why hasn't he left everything as it is and just made a note "created by bamse, updated to latest version by me"?

same thing for Wolfenstein - The New Order. you (grumpy) have "credits" for graphics of that conversion yet that conversion is a plagiated version of revo's conversion with "revolution graphic arts" removed. i guess that should be considered as a "compliment" as well?

I am all for updating conversions to latest versions of the game when new update or dlc gets released but this is ridiculous. hogging the credits for something that you just modified, not created from nothing.

hogging 'credits' WTF !!! Ive NEVER put my name on ANY conversion nor ever will. Don't need to feel that important that I have to have name in 'lights' for all to see. I stated that I made a copy of SC1 as close as I could match it, without having originals to go from, and that I forgot when I made the post to thank fox' for it was his SC1 that I based it off of. I DID quickly put the 'credit' to him as he was fine with that.

Its the rest of you I have doubts about. you don't like it here then leave & don't come back, simple as that. You start posting, bitching & whining about past issues, again quite simple, stop coming here go elsewhere for your conversions. Or make your own & put your name all over it for all to 'praise' you. I do this simply for enjoyment but if all you want to do is cry about them
then again go elsewhere & don't bother coming back. Sick of this BS

[Grumpy]

@Bamse
Well what can I say except to say 'sorry'. I have since taken a closer look at your Watchdog installer Pics. Yes I concede my previous comment was 'un-educated' and you have actually taken the time to construct those pics yourself using images you don't actually own. Before you jump on me let me explain and this is where that very 'fine line' is drawn when people start accusing people of stealing. You do not own THIS pic but it was clearly one of the pics used to create your installer pic. I can see the work you have done to the original pic to get it suitable for your installer by adding the 3D Box effect etc. At the time of looking at your installer pics I did not realize the 'small installer' image was showing in front the Background image. Hard to put that bit in writing but what I guess I am trying to say is I thought you had just posted 2 pics as one. I thought you had just layered the installer pics all together for preview purposes, I didn't realize it was actually how the installer looks when installing.
I don't mind admitting I was wrong and I am sincere when I say 'sorry' I was wrong with my original comment. You did create those images which pakrat 'borrowed' and has since thanked you for.
I did say this to 'fox' in a PM 'I don't think Pakrat is the type to purposely piss people off', I stand by that comment and think he genuinely forgot the Credits and added them as soon as it was pointed out.

Originally Posted by pakrat2k2

Its the rest of you I have doubts about. you don't like it here then leave & don't come back, simple as that. You start posting, bitching & whining about past issues, again quite simple, stop coming here go elsewhere for your conversions. Or make your own & put your name all over it for all to 'praise' you. I do this simply for enjoyment but if all you want to do is cry about them
then again go elsewhere & don't bother coming back. Sick of this BS

Couldn't have said that any better myself pakrat.