Sicheats (h4x0r) trainers now contain DRM but why?

[tazzoun]

First of all, I have been downloading trainers from here for a long time. I am not some kind of cheathappens lover so please don't dismiss me as such like you do everyone else that says a negative word about h4x0r.

I just downloaded the FEAR 3 trainer by h4x0r from the GCW website. Apparently to use this FREE trainer I have to go to sicheats.com, create an account there, create a FACEBOOK account, download some kind of key and then always leave my internet connection on so the FREE trainer can authenticate itself. Say what? How exactly is this different than cheathappens again? The only reason a FREE trainer would need all this type of crap is so that the creator can harvest the information being collected and sell it off to advertisers, etc.

After looking further at this "authentication" process of h4x0r's trainer, I then learned that it also carries with it a malicious payload that stays resident in memory even after the trainer is done. It actively scans memory and HD for anything with the word "cheathappens" and then attaches a viral signature to it so those files no longer function. This can easily be reproduced and examined by anyone with a debugger or memory scanner using the files from GCW or h4x0rs website.

So, I must ask the obvious question -- why does GCW continue to entertain this stuff from h4x0r? Seriously, is he paying you guys to host this crap?

So now I have to jump through about 10 hoops plus give h4x0r my personal information just to use a FREE trainer that I downloaded from GCW. What's next you guys? Selling trainers like cheathappens?

[Joe Forster/STA]

Why the hell do people think anyone is paying GCW to "support" their stuff?! GCW is user-supported: whatever is out there and gets uploaded by someone appears on the site. I asked Empire many times to remove Cheathappens' (free promo) trainers, as a kind of revenge, but he didn't do that because, in his opinion, visitors should be able to get whatever they need and it's not our task or responsibility to filter out whatever we don't like. I don't agree with him - see what I wrote about "useful censorship" in the other thread -, nevertheless this sounds acceptable to me.

GCW doesn't make money out of anything other than advertisements and that's barely enough for the maintenance but I've never seen Empire even only considering to make visitors pay for anything. (See cd-2-dvd.com: it's coming back online soon although no user pays for it and it went down a couple of months ago due to lack of funds and motivation.) People should be grateful for whatever they get, and especially when it's free!

Now to the h4x0r-specific part... Please, point me to a specific download on GCW and describe your suspicion and debugging results a bit more, to help me with my own inspection. (Hoping that I also have the necessary tools. Skills I can learn, thank you.) No links to h4x0r's site, please, because I can't login: I have no Facebook account and don't plan to create one for any reason. Also, are you sure that what you've tried is a trainer really by h4x0r? You know, Cheathappens is spreading fake trainers in his name, some got uploaded to GCW, too!

If you want to use a (non-promo) Cheathappens trainer then you have to have not only an active but also a paid account on their site. Explain to me in what way this is different from using Facebook as a kind of "authentication gateway" and how authenticationg via Facebook can be used to steal anyone's personal data on Facebook or somewhere else. (Why would third-party authentication reveal information about the user other than, yeah, it's a genuine user registered on the authenticating site?! Authentication returning personal information would be a paradise for phishing so Facebook obviously cannot do that!)

Sorry but, with all the bullshit floating around, I don't believe anything that I haven't seen myself anymore so simply reciting rumors has no weight at all to me.

[...] death89: Sorry, this is not h4x0r's support forum.

[tazzoun]

Thanks for the reply Joe. I'll have to do more testing with more of h4x0r's trainers to give you a definitive answer regarding the cheathappens search that his trainers are doing. I'm not really concerned that much about that part anyways as I dont use CH trainers. What I am concerned about is the fact that I literally cannot use a trainer I downloaded from THIS SITE without first going to h4x0r's site and signing up with an account PLUS a facebook account and then downloading some personalized trainer key before I can even use it.

You are welcome to see for yourself. Just go to GCW, FEAR 3 and download the latest trainer by h4x0r (the ones that says KEY PLUS INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED next to it). I guess Empire supports this stuff too. Very sad.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Jesus, man, you still don't get it! Empire doesn't even know about this. How could you expect anyone to check everything that gets uploaded to GCW, especially a task not as trivial as automated virus scanning but running programs through a debugger and analyzing their behavior manually?! And add to this the fact that, to my knowledge, Empire is not a hacker, unlike TippeX and I. What is uploaded by users, and is not obvious malware, is published on the site, nobody is white- or blacklisted (yet?!), nobody is specifically supported or suppressed, period. (This also resulted in fake h4x0r trainers, created by Cheathappens or fans, being uploaded and later published on GCW, until they were reported to us.)

By the way, I was able to login to Sicheats with my old login and download the F.E.A.R. 3 trainer mentioned. No Facebook account or login was required.

[darkedone02]

I've recently made a thread about this at the chit-chat section, I've also mention this "DRM" is what I called it because of online authentications and required keys to use the trainer, which in my opinion is stupid.

[Maxgrilo]

Personally I dont care what h4x0r does with his trainers but it's pretty stupid for gcw to keep posting them if you cant even use them without some stupid login and key from his website.

[darkedone02]

I agree, why upload them if they don't work?

[comdisco]

It isn't even possible to register on their site. I've tried w/ several email addresses and it just says "Your email address has been banned".

Also, I tried the "promo" version of the FEAR 3 trainer that only has 2 cheats, and it just crashes the game (Steam version) when I attempt to jump or open a door.

It would be great to find a FEAR 3 trainer that actually works, since I've been stuck in the courtyard w/ the mech for 2 days and would really like to get past it.

[darkedone02]

yeah, h4x0r added DRM in his trainers....

[otheruser]

Originally Posted by tazzoun

First of all, I have been downloading trainers from here for a long time. I am not some kind of cheathappens lover so please don't dismiss me as such like you do everyone else that says a negative word about h4x0r.

I just downloaded the FEAR 3 trainer by h4x0r from the GCW website. Apparently to use this FREE trainer I have to go to sicheats.com, create an account there, create a FACEBOOK account, download some kind of key and then always leave my internet connection on so the FREE trainer can authenticate itself. Say what? How exactly is this different than cheathappens again? The only reason a FREE trainer would need all this type of crap is so that the creator can harvest the information being collected and sell it off to advertisers, etc.

After looking further at this "authentication" process of h4x0r's trainer, I then learned that it also carries with it a malicious payload that stays resident in memory even after the trainer is done. It actively scans memory and HD for anything with the word "cheathappens" and then attaches a viral signature to it so those files no longer function. This can easily be reproduced and examined by anyone with a debugger or memory scanner using the files from GCW or h4x0rs website.

So, I must ask the obvious question -- why does GCW continue to entertain this stuff from h4x0r? Seriously, is he paying you guys to host this crap?

So now I have to jump through about 10 hoops plus give h4x0r my personal information just to use a FREE trainer that I downloaded from GCW. What's next you guys? Selling trainers like cheathappens?

ok first: Join Date: Jun 2011 ( coincidence? ), sure...

Second: read here I can only envy h4x0r #, fans...

third: yes, you need learn: http://www.sicheats.com/index.php?ca...7&topic_id=979

fourth: before reister in sicheats you can read

*Facebook validation is required in this site for login ( User Validation )
*Proxys no allowed in this site.
*Internet connection and a free key is need for validate trainer.
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Website visualzation problems?
Try opening (cmd console ) and type ipconfig /flushdns or in to site using the www.sicheats.com
If you do not agree with the security of the site, click HERE

not to mention useless to PWIZARD continue to believe that published data, you expect to get something, painful.

to see if they learn to respect one time, the thing is easy, if you do not like DO NOT GO, by all means try to fuck someone and they're not going to get.

these security measures are necessary when there both assholes loose network.

the only ones who steal information are CH, you can read here:

http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=89266
http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=89685
http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=88964

CH = Criminals

[Sneaky Guy]

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

Personally I dont care what h4x0r does with his trainers but it's pretty stupid for gcw to keep posting them if you cant even use them without some stupid login and key from his website.

Agreed.
This petty war with whoever is just stupid, and now, if the Trainers ARE indeed his,
why bring that war to the user forcing the user to take unecessary steps?
That make you think the programmer is also childish.

Originally Posted by darkedone02

I agree, why upload them if they don't work?

It probably does work, if you could get a key, which obviously some people can (see below).

Originally Posted by comdisco

It isn't even possible to register on their site. I've tried w/ several email addresses and it just says "Your email address has been banned".
...

Same here, wasted 3 perfectly good legit e-mail addresses trying to register.
Now I will have to monitor those 3 addresses to see how much Spam arrives.

As far as needing a Facebook account to register, why?
Besides the fact that I neither have, nor ever want an account with that hype site, why does one NEED a Facebook account?

In my opinion that lends weight to tazzoun's (the original poster) suspicion, that this haxor's "Trainer" is acting like a Trojan.

And also in my opinion, to which I am indeed entitled, the FEAR 3 Trainer,
and any other Trainers by Haxor using this method, should be removed from the site until such time as he removes this "Activation".

If people protest by NOT using his Trainers with "Activation",
my guess is his ego will then produce the Trainers without the "Activation", in order to stay in the stagelight.

[Maxgrilo]

Wow, "otheruser" has the exact same vocabulary as h4x0r. I thought he was suspended or something?

Also, Joe, the facebook validation is being turned on and off randomly on h4x0rs website. You are still required to allow SiCheats access to your facebook account before you can login or register there, depending on the time of day.

@comdisco -- the problem you are facing is that most new games have steam anti-cheat protection built in and most trainer makers like h4x0r, lingon, hog, etc do not know how to defeat them so their trainers randomly crash the game when the protections kick in. So far I only know of a couple of people capable of defeating the protections (cheathappens, sheep, etc). The only way to sometimes make those other trainers work is by using the steam cracked exe's (can I talk about that here?) which removes some of the anticheat protection but usually also goofs up steam, the steam cloud, etc which is also becoming more and more necessary to sync your savegames, etc.

[Sneaky Guy]

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

Wow, "otheruser" has the exact same vocabulary as h4x0r. I thought he was suspended or something?
...

Suspendiing an account CANNOT stop the person being suspended from taking part in the Forum.
All that person needs to do is get a new IP address, usually by rebooting the Router, and register under another name.
The only way to ban a particular user effectivly, is IF that user is forced to use a static IP,
then the IP rather than the user would be banned, effectivly banning the user through his IP.

But I am sure there are also ways around that.

Originally Posted by Maxgrilo

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Also, Joe, the facebook validation was turned off for a short bit on h4x0rs website but is now back on. You sre still required to allow SiCheats access to your facebook account before you can login or register there.

The question remains, WHY does this haxor need access to your Facebook account?
Doing so is giving him free access to all your information.
The last time I looked, this was known as Phishing or a Trojan.

As I said before, in my book, due to the above, ALL his Trainers using this method should be deleted,
and no new Trainers should be accepted until this method is taken out of his Trainers.

If done that way, this haxors ego will not allow him to simply stop making Trainers,
probably resulting in him taking that method out of his Trainers.

[otheruser]

only trolls here.

BLA BLA BLA

[Maxgrilo]

So, Joe is a troll at his own website? Face it h4x0r, people have finally grown tired of your bullshit and are speaking up about it.