REQ: Stolen trainers to be removed from GCW

[Joe Forster/STA]

However, if GCW supports people stealing from CheatHappens, CheatHappens won't support GCW and then GCW users will get less CheatHappens releases in the long run. That's what I was talking about as short-term vs. long-term solution.

[sheep]

hi guys.. been a while since ive been motivated enough to comment around here.. but i thought i would put my 2 pence in since ive been around a little while and seen the best and worst that the scene has to offer..

The phrase that is most prominant in this thread comes from our hungarian friend.. while his translation maybe correct the ACTUAL phrase used in the english language is "HONOR AMONGST THEIVES" his translation of the meaning though is perfect..

When your a member of something with an overtone of illegal or immoral questionability then to become balanced and to judge others you need a level playing field.. in other words.. you accept that there is a dividing line between them (corporate money men) and us (hobbyists, reversers, trainer makers) etc.. without the divide you cannot possibly judge others to your own standard.. stealing from your work place.. and stealing from your mothers home are both stealing.. but in your head.. you can easily see which one carries the more serious implications..

not to mention making trainers has absolutely fuck all to do with stealing code.. it has everything to do with the understanding, passion and amazing creativity of a reverse engineer.. the end result of a CRACK has 1 purpose only.. the final product of a good trainer can result in the game being played in a different and altogether new way.. this is not STEALING its UNLOCKING!!!

MAKING TRAINERS = CREATIVITY
TAKING CODE FROM OTHERS TRAINERS = STEALING

doesnt get any simpler really.

(btw, my flipant use of the word CRACK there in no way demeans or belittles the work involved in making them, creating a crack takes a lot more work and in many instances a much DEEPER knowledge than it takes to make most trainers.)

(of course this idiology is taken to its extreme) most trainers are piles of shit that just enable people with no skill to complete a game they enjoy playing.. which is why its laughable when you see people like kelsat deliberatly stealing code from people who do NOT steal anything themselves..

so now we come to WHO should create and uphold these level playing fields? normally its down to the honor of the individual that partakes in the scene in question.. but when this cannot be relied upon, ie.. when you get fucking lamers like kelsat and others, who have no shame and even less skill then i beleive its down to sites like GCW to stand up and govern the flow of traffic they are resposible for.. in the old days groups were dropped form sites all the time because of lame conduct.. this was enough to ensure a good steady scene with quality releases.. today there is no real scene to speak of.. but what we do have is a circle of well known public sites that need to take on a few of the roles of yesteryear scenes so that we can be assured of a good quality stream of site content and disallowing lamers to pollute this.

hye dab.. ltns.. thought i better say hello

erm.. just so people know.. my opinion of CH is pretty well known by now.. but my moral compass as a trainer maker wont allow a good trainer maker to be dragged through the mud.. in the last 5 years i would say there has been only 2 people that have either surprised or impressed me with their work on trainers.. and beleive me.. (with me being such a fucking ego maniac its hard to impress me) but none the less.. caliber from CH is not only a fucking nice guy.. he has done work on trainers that i would have written off pretty much everyone for.. i know this, because ive done the work involved in making the same trainers.. and when ive looked at his work he displays a full knoweldge of whats going on.. id LOVE!! to accuse him of stealing my work.. but the raw truth is.. he has rlsed many trainers with extremely difficult options before me and many others in the scene.. so its clear that this guy is the real deal.. infact i would say hes probably the most underated trainer maker in the last 10 years.. if he rlsed his trainers for free and CH didnt exist.. u would all be giving this guy the respect he deserves.. so in future.. dont pay attention to the red tape of HOW his work is released.. just look AT!!! his work.. credit the guy for fuck sake.. hes earned it..


so.. thats about it.. fuck off if u think spelling mistakes is a sign of intellect or education.. i could easily spell check the lot and still have u think im a clever bastard.. truth is i dont care enuff about any of u to worry what u think.. and only the truly elite feel that way hehehe.. just kiddin.. cant be arsed to spell check too tired.. too old.. too.. everything really..

end of the day.. if sites like GCW want to be respected by the people that feed them.. they need to at least pay attention and listen to that SOURCE.. and fucking trainer maker doesnt need a theif to produce work.. a theif DOES need a trainer maker.. i know who i would rather be backing.

eze guys.. laters.

[DABhand]

Well said Sheep and hey yourself