S.T.A.L.K.E.R 1.0004 trainer

[DABhand]

Tell you what you go work, and then ill syphon your bank account while you do so. Since its only a small group and smart enough to do that. But you wont complain that I do that?

Your view is limited on this.

Now if its a public trainer, and you reversed it to update it with a game update its not so bad. Annoying yes as you didnt spend much time as the original author. But at least you didnt take anything away from the person.

Now a trainer that requires a subscription, reversing and releasing under your name is bad. Then you have people who get it and just release it without reversing is equally bad. Ultimately you are snatching potential money from them.

So why shouldnt someone who has sat through tonnes of anti-debugging code,DMA etc be able to earn from their hardwork. Its not easy especially with the newer games that come out.

Now I know its you Sunbeam, there is no denying that, but you know the people who are involved with training games, most of which would hate people stealing the code injections etc they have took time to do. Sure we all have fights among us from time to time and dont agree with each other, but how many actually go out and do that to others they know.

I cant imagine Poizn going out nicking Whitey's coding, its just not on, also I cant imagine Poizn going out and distributing a trainer Whitey did that requires a sub. Again its just not on. All that would achieve is Poizn alienating himself from the community. And yes im sure it has happened in the past between groups, but not by very much, hardly infact.

And with your views and ideas that its fine to do all this, you will alienate yourself and any sites you hang about on.

And also be careful with the accusation of software theft you did earlier in the thread. You really dont know a person to make that comment. At this moment I view Caliber as a more reliable and trustworthy person than yourself, and would be pleased to call him a friend. To not know him, or him say he downloads games at all, its a bit of a nerve to say he does. Are you going to suggest I do the same.

I mean I own my own biz I get software cheap through wholesalers.

Anyways im miffed now, im gonna go watch TV or something.

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by DABhand

So why shouldnt someone who has sat through tonnes of anti-debugging code,DMA etc be able to earn from their hardwork. Its not easy especially with the newer games that come out.

you know (and its not directed at you dab, just you raised it), i really cant figure out what this whole big deal about DMA from trainer makers is all about, DMA is hardly revolutionary, hell, the protections did it, and even then it wasnt too difficult, just a bpm, back trace, find storage area, figure struct... or is this just some thing trainer makers can try and claim as something difficult?.. when the crackers have been doing it for ages.....

so theres only 2 types of reversers -> either a cracker (and a trainer) or a failed cracker who becomes a trainer

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by TippeX

you know (and its not directed at you dab, just you raised it), i really cant figure out what this whole big deal about DMA from trainer makers is all about, DMA is hardly revolutionary, hell, the protections did it, and even then it wasnt too difficult, just a bpm, back trace, find storage area, figure struct... or is this just some thing trainer makers can try and claim as something difficult?.. when the crackers have been doing it for ages.....

so theres only 2 types of reversers -> either a cracker (and a trainer) or a failed cracker who becomes a trainer

Was just going through a list of what a trainer maker has to go through sometimes, DMA came from the top of my head, I could have easily said code shifting also.

[apache-]

Great Debate!, well at least so far
lol TippeX ..failed cracker..trainer...huh ..made me smile actually.
opinions..wow quite a few you guys seem to forget, when you sub for trainers your not just subbing for one file , you have a vast , vast! i say database of trainers cheats and a whole shaboodle of experiance to draw from, so the next time you see a super-duper trainer thats only available as premium content ..dont be so near sighted , think ahead ..you will have todays..tomorrows next weeks nexts months ..yesterdays last months ..last years the year before that ... totally 100% on the right spot the real mcoy dudes that can more than likely answer your question within a very short period of time with help when you have fucked up something..no need to wonder if that motherfucker who leaked a trainer has also added a few bad things to the files before they stick it it a forum link or rapidshare or whatever..because your in good hands and dealing with professional programers which are part of established sites who have your benefit first and foremost in their thoughts





on a second note hi everyone have fun, chat next time

[sheep]

dma has nothing to do with training games, if you train a game properly you never come across it, no trainer maker has ever said "SHIT THAT DMA WAS HARD TO GET AROUND" thats what idiots say BEFORE they know what it is, its as simple as that.

[DABhand]

I didnt say it was hard sheep, I said they come across it. And I was listing ideas from the top of my head.

So dont start with me. My name aint begining with an S!

[Caliber]

couple things and then this is my last post.

1) i could care less if you take my trainer and pick it apart. maybe you will learn something. maybe you notice something we did that could be improved! at any rate, just don't post it on another website or torrent like you said you wouldn't when you signed up on the website. simple---

2) we have already implemented a tracing funtion in our trainers as of the last two weeks which has encrypted information in redundancy so that we can trace members who post improperly. members will be booted from the site with no refund if we find out work posted elsewhere. it isn't fair for the other paying members to get shafted by the bad members who post our work without our consent.... this doesn't mean that it won't happen, just that we are working to stop it.

3) how do you know where we get our games from? we have access to games and betas, demos, etc. because of who we are. our bioshock trainer came out before you could even get it on steam... and as you know, since you tell us you download illegally, there were no "cracked" versions of the game available for a week. how did that happen? elves and magic?

4) i never cracked a game in my life and released it to the public. i just make trainers, and sometimes have to deal with the protections that are in the game so i can train it. not sure how i fit into tippex's view of reversers... LOL!

blah-

i am not as annoyed by you sunbeam as some of the others are, but please don't make an enemy here where there wasn't one-

ok flame away!

-Cal

[pikachu5501]

no.. realy, why just make a forum on "why should i pay for a trainer", you know, for those how have mumy or the governement to pay everything for them so they will have a place to b1tch about how bad capitalism is. It is like we discusse about that more than training and coding itself .

No realy; if someone cant finish that game, why dont they get a job or something?

Caliber:
I have a little tiny bit favor to ask. i'v been posting quality +1 trainers for c&c3 for a while for everyone to enjoy but i cant find the health in c&c3. Can you give me just a little tinny winni hint.. i tried every thing; change, unchanged, decrease, increased.. in all type.. . I dont want you code or the cave code or anything like that but just a little little hint to help me to find that HP. I promess that i will credit you and you site on my next update.

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by pikachu5501

no.. realy, why just make a forum on "why should i pay for a trainer", you know, for those how have mumy or the governement to pay everything for them so they will have a place to b1tch about how bad capitalism is. It is like we discusse about that more than training and coding itself .

No realy; if someone cant finish that game, why dont they get a job or something?

Caliber:
I have a little tiny bit favor to ask. i'v been posting quality +1 trainers for c&c3 for a while for everyone to enjoy but i cant find the health in c&c3. Can you give me just a little tinny winni hint.. i tried every thing; change, unchanged, decrease, increased.. in all type.. . I dont want you code or the cave code or anything like that but just a little little hint to help me to find that HP. I promess that i will credit you and you site on my next update.

even if you find the bits of code that control the health, there are at least 4 areas that call the function i used to manipulate the health. so you would have to trace the calls and see which ones are useful (i.e. which one is calling when you mouse over the unit (i.e. the health bar gets drawn), etc. it's quite a chore and i don't know you so i have no idea your ability and it would take quite some time to go over this.

i think the values where float, if i remember. also the game is a bit squirrely with troops since it lists a health for all troops but in fact each troop has it's own health amount so it's best to trace with a vehicle, not a troop. PM me about this and maybe we can talk more about it.

my plasma force health option is another discussion entirely as it took quite a while to trace that code down....

best,
Cal

[pikachu5501]

even if you find the bits of code that control the health, there are at least 4 areas that call the function i used to manipulate the health. so you would have to trace the calls and see which ones are useful (i.e. which one is calling when you mouse over the unit (i.e. the health bar gets drawn), etc. it's quite a chore and i don't know you so i have no idea your ability and it would take quite some time to go over this.

i think the values where float, if i remember. also the game is a bit squirrely with troops since it lists a health for all troops but in fact each troop has it's own health amount so it's best to trace with a vehicle, not a troop. PM me about this and maybe we can talk more about it.

my plasma force health option is another discussion entirely as it took quite a while to trace that code down....

whoa, that's a lot of informations, well, thanx a lot. If i manage to do a +2 trainer with unlimited hp, i will certainly credit you. Thank you again.