Legal and forum rule-related discussion concerning BF2142 mini image

[performance]

I ask a buddy of mine who's studying law and the transfer of archival copies between one licensee to another licensee provided the original licensee made a legal copy is perfectly legal. The physical dvd means little. Its the license that you bought. There's also something in the copyright act which limits copyright owners first sale something blah blah which denies them the sole right to distribution.

oh yeah forgot to mention that regardless of whether the original copyright owner mentions in the license agreement that you cannot make a backup copy, you can make a backup copy. Basically the copyright act voids that point.

[Grumpy]

@siiix

i guess you do not own any of bf2 or 2142, i suggest you as one of the moderators you inform your self a bit better

Actually I do own BF2 and play it often, without the need for the DVD in the drive!
Believe me I am very well informed.

The rest of your post is just laughable! It just shows how ill-informed and niave you really are!

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@siiix

Actually I do own BF2 and play it often, without the need for the DVD in the drive!
Believe me I am very well informed.

The rest of your post is just laughable! It just shows how ill-informed and niave you really are!

trust me i'm not... i battle idiot people and corporations for many many years, although i have no legal-school background i have extensive experience (in and out of courts) and research behind me

as well long time ago i worked for activision/novotrade as game programmer.. so in maters coding i do have some experience behind me as well

plus some of my old friends where/are hackers, and not even bad ones as well, several of them where on TV in several countries because they activities

plus currently I live in germany as you might know they aggressively cracking down on filesharing for the last few months, there is not a day going by where I don’t have to work with several (2) of my friends that got cut by the traps

there is not the slightest thing naïve about me
so I’m able to say I know with certainty (at least in U.S. and germany) that with the above method of backup I’m right and if something would posses EA/contractor and go ahead and file this in court there is no way in hell they have a chance to win, although obviously it would never come to that because they know this as well.. and this is not excitement talking but experience and 100’s of hours of research

anyhow I think we over talked this subject already, I just had to respond to the “naïve” comment

[Joe Forster/STA]

@siiix: You still haven't sent me an explanation, although I asked you to do so. I have to stress again that the forum rules are not for discussion so, please, don't "spoil" this thread with off-topic posts. Thank you!

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

@siiix: You still haven't sent me an explanation, although I asked you to do so. I have to stress again that the forum rules are not for discussion so, please, don't "spoil" this thread with off-topic posts. Thank you!

Sorry you misunderstood me, about #1
i tried to suggest to EXTEND your rule #1 somehow that we cant even mention such things, because most boards at least you can talk about it in the way I did – as a reference point or “example of”
As talking about it is not illegal in any country in that form
in my case i mentioned a NAME but did not even said that has anything to do with piracy – in such way it cant establish legally a link to illegal activity, in fact deleting they 2 deferent NAMES in my post was an assumption (knowledge) I refered to a pirate group and not just the guy living next door or a username on this board.
such things are normally no problem so i assumed its ok, as RIGHT NOW it is not specifically forbidden in rule #1

I’m not discussing rules, I just suggested being clearer in the text, NOT to make it any less strict or so
In other words your #1.2 do not sound that strict to me reading it, so I followed it to my best understanding
But maybe its just me in the way I understand the text in #1.2
Was just some info to you = no discussion

[Grumpy]

@siiix

because most boards at least you can talk about it in the way I did

We are not 'most boards'!

We have rules here and they must be obeyed, its as simple as that.
Just like different families may have different rules for their own households.
I dont care what is law in whatever country! Fileforums is accessable in every country just like any other site. So we have 'our' rules for every country. Those who use this site agree, when joining, to abide by 'our' rules.

Rule #1 states: "Do not discuss warez!"

And that means no warez groups, no warez files, and no warez sites!
They all fit in the 'Do not discuss warez!' category!

And you mentioned 2 warez files in your post!
No if's or but's about it.

Surely you, with your wealth of experience and knowledge, would have known and understood that!?

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@siiix

We are not 'most boards'!

We have rules here and they must be obeyed, its as simple as that.
Just like different families may have different rules for their own households.
I dont care what is law in whatever country! Fileforums is accessable in every country just like any other site. So we have 'our' rules for every country. Those who use this site agree, when joining, to abide by 'our' rules.

Rule #1 states: "Do not discuss warez!"

And that means no warez groups, no warez files, and no warez sites!
They all fit in the 'Do not discuss warez!' category!

And you mentioned 2 warez files in your post!
No if's or but's about it.

Surely you, with your wealth of experience and knowledge, would have known and understood that!?

maybe me and you Grumpy have a communication problem,
what you write have very little to no relevance to what I write

I said that forum RULE #1.2 is NOT strict enough NOR is it clearly state what you actually want,
I for example feel I FULLY obeyed the rule

so again this is a point of opinion and assumption,
and I can only say this because lack of clearness/detail in that section of rule,
of course you have the right to remove on your board what ever you like
it was just a friendly tip from me that Rule #1 states: "Do not discuss warez!" you might like to be a bit more specific or strict

that you have to explain now is proof enough that you know what I’m talking about
you wrote:
”And that means no warez groups, no warez files, and no warez sites!”
and still I think this is not detailed enough, but it would help

to be honest reading that rule the 1st time I got the opinion/feeling that this is a board that do not care so much about enforcing this, the section is mostly getting in to not to annoy you guys then the actual warez issue, you guys would have a lot less to moderating to do if you fix #1.2

anyhow, there is no point of continuing talking about this, I think we all clear about each other opinions now, or should be
if you disagree just ignore my tip/suggestion, I just wanted to help

[Warlock]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@siiix

We are not 'most boards'!

We have rules here and they must be obeyed, its as simple as that.
Just like different families may have different rules for their own households.
I dont care what is law in whatever country! Fileforums is accessable in every country just like any other site. So we have 'our' rules for every country. Those who use this site agree, when joining, to abide by 'our' rules.

Rule #1 states: "Do not discuss warez!"

And that means no warez groups, no warez files, and no warez sites!
They all fit in the 'Do not discuss warez!' category!

And you mentioned 2 warez files in your post!
No if's or but's about it.

Surely you, with your wealth of experience and knowledge, would have known and understood that!?

This post pretty much sums it up. Those who use this site agreed, when joining, to abide by our rules. No matter how you sugar coat it Rule #1 is clear, No discussion of warez is allowed. If you want to argue your point to EA or any other game developer then so be it but the forum rules are not going to bend to your needs, NTM. they are not open for discussion or debate. The Moderators enforce the rules set by the Administrator, its that simple and we are not going to argue with you guys about it.
If you cant abide to these rules then i suggest you leave!

[Grumpy]

This whole discussion got out of hand when siiix took offense to me deleting/editing the names of 2 warez files he posted!
He says he has used these files!
He actually should have been banned right away for using warez!
But I let him speak, even though our forum rules say No Warez!

Siiix is only trying to be a smartass by insisting it is ok by law to use a downloaded game as a backup and this is the part where he is totally wrong:

there are LAWS in any country this game is distributed that one can have at least 1 backup... how you create that backup is irrelevant (even if its downloading)...

Downloading games is against the law, doesnt matter if you pay for it or get it for free, it is still against the law. That is black and white!

I dont care if people think I am ridiculing him. I dont mind telling him how it is!
I have not yet seen one bit of evidence to say it is ok? Yet siiix himself provided the legal document which 'ridicules' his whole argument.
No where in that document does it say 'it is ok to download a game'!!

[Joe Forster/STA]

Good, then we won't have to spend time with changing the forum rules, after all...