Legal and forum rule-related discussion concerning BF2142 mini image

[siiix]

OHHH the #1 rule remark was for you !

then my appologies to Joe Forster/STA
my bad : )

[Joe Forster/STA]

Just to clear things up: according to the forum rules, you need to have a working, original, legally purchased copy of the game to be eligible for support on this forum. (Watch the "working" word, too. This has nothing to do with warez...) Yes, this may be a bit too much but we've seen way to many "interesting stories" in the past to be strict about it! It is explicitly written in the forum rules that, if you don't have a working copy, you need to get a replacement (before discussing things).

[Grumpy]

@6FiRE9 & siiix
Just to clarify things a bit more.
I was the one who removed the links and names.
Torrent sites are not to be posted here, either are the names of warez torrents!
As Joe has already said (and he is a lot more than just a 'Senior Member', he is actually a Moderator here) we had to make the rules very scrict as people join up and ask the most rediculous questions.
I think you will both find the EULA may say "You are entitled to create one backup of your game" (or words similiar to that) but it definately does not say "You can download someone else's copy to use as a backup".

@siiix

plus there are other reasons and NON of them are illegal
-DVD drive bad/incompatible
-disk broken
-inconvenience having to change disk
-playing in a computer where dvd is not installable (company pc/laptop/no room in pc/…)

These are the type of lame excuses we always get!
If you have a bad DVD Drive then how do you expect to install it let alone play it?
If your disc is broken then most game publishers will replace the disc ,for a small fee, when you provide proof of purchase, or in some cases send them the broken disc.
Inconvenience in changing discs is not really a valid reason!
And again if you cant install a DVD into a computer then how are you going to play it? The game publishers wont make it easy for you to play without the disc, otherwise its to easy for you to share the game with friends etc.
You have heard of Piracy and Protections? Havent you?

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@6FiRE9 & siiix

I think you will both find the EULA may say "You are entitled to create one backup of your game" (or words similar to that) but it definitely does not say "You can download someone else's copy to use as a backup".

i would definitely go to court and i'm very positive i would EASY win the case, it they try to split hairs that way

because HOW i make a backup is up to me as long as i paid for the game... i could go more in detail how they would not have the slightest chance of winning even if they hire the best layer money can get.. it would be to long

If you have a bad DVD Drive then how do you expect to install it let alone play it?

simply i can tell you thins because i did not used a dvd for bf2 or 2142 (until recently for 2142) although i do purchases 3 copies of bf2 and 2 copies of 2142

I install the game from any folder, installation won’t ask for a DVD << WITH A LEGAL CD-KEY of course
then when I start the game I have to use one of several methods to get around this “bug” with the DVD insertion

If your disc is broken then most game publishers will replace the disc ,for a small fee, when you provide proof of purchase, or in some cases send them the broken disc.

$10-$15 is NOT a small fee, its a rip of, i pay for BF2 and SF and 2142 just slightly more then $15 each, and ANYONE can do that if you buy from the right dealer (for EA is the same no mater I buy if you do not buy directly from them, if you get it at computer store for $56.50 or in a poor country for $18 = EA gets the same exact amount in the end)

further more as i buy ALL my games from a Asian dealer i do not have a DVD SIMPLY because i will not make the post office rich to pay for shipping, nor the government with sales tax(or vat) << and this is my law given right !!!!

i understand you have money to throw around but i don’t, and its my legal right to purchase the game(s) where ever i chose
the CD-key is registered BY EA to my name and address, so if they like to take me on in the backup issue – bring it on !

Inconvenience in changing discs is not really a valid reason!
And again if you cant install a DVD into a computer then how are you going to play it? The game publishers wont make it easy for you to play without the disc, otherwise its to easy for you to share the game with friends etc.
You have heard of Piracy and Protections? Havent you?

i guess you do not own any of bf2 or 2142, i suggest you as one of the moderators you inform your self a bit better

what you suggest is simply put IMPOSSIBLE (for bf2, sf, 2142 - ESPECIALY 2142) again it would take long to explain the technical reasons, but trust me the software it self is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS with out the cd-key, 2142 don’t even have a single player option with out being online

there is no way you can get online unless you like a top hacker and rewrite the software or use additional software > and even then your having an extremely limited gaming experience, and again I’m not a complete zero in programming >> so DVD image it self is nothing

in 2142 it wont even help to have a stolen cd-key, it is completely protected by better protection then most of my several bank accounts (NOT exaggerated in the slightest)

in simple terms the 2142 software is just about useful the WOW software with out the online authorization
the DVD thing is a hit/spit in the face from EA at best, but has nothing to do with copy protection
(as I said I contacted EA directly about this issue with my complain several times, NOT anonym!!)

now on the issue:
my apologies,
BUT please be clearer in the text rule #1, I respect board rules if they clear
mentioning a just name is most of the time not a problem,
the reason this is no problem on most boards is this(I illustrate with the following):
taking/having drugs is illegal, selling them is illegal, giving them away is illegal, BUT talking about them is not! until positive association can be done (like a link)

and URL’s/LINK's I would never post of course

[Joe Forster/STA]

@siiix: The answer is very simple: The board rules are generally NOT for discussion! Yes, we cannot test how each game works - as we don't have all of them and especially don't even have time to play with all of them! - but there aren't many exceptions to the general usage of games anyway.

But, sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about this particular game. (I've had none of the Battlefield series; not interested.) If you can describe to me in a short and clean PM or E-mail (CC to Grumpy, too!) why games similar to this one cannot be covered with the current forum rules then we can include them as a special group. However, for only a single game, exceptions will obviously not be made.

[6FiRE9]

Just as a quick follow up on siix's post. Playing BF 2142 without a purchased key that belongs to you is not possible. Downloading pirated copies of this game to play is completely useless unless you do infact own this game. I appologise for naming a torrent site in my post, I agree this may have been a "no-no" but believe me this would only help people who own the game anyway. With BF2 which I also own, you could download and play on cracked servers or in single player mode. With 2142 these are also not possible, from what I understand. I just figured that a forum should be a free speech environment and I would try to help people that obviously must own the game like myself.

Matt

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by siiix

i would definitely go to court and i'm very positive i would EASY win the case, it they try to split hairs that way

because HOW i make a backup is up to me as long as i paid for the game... i could go more in detail how they would not have the slightest chance of winning even if they hire the best layer money can get.. it would be to long

No you cant.

You can make a backup of the media you bought, not an image of someone elses media.

And you would NOT win the case. As you have essentially a backup of someone elses media you did not have the right to. Actually they would laugh at you to be honest.

They wouldnt need a lawyer either, they could easily represent themselves.

[performance]

I ask a buddy of mine who's studying law and the transfer of archival copies between one licensee to another licensee provided the original licensee made a legal copy is perfectly legal. The physical dvd means little. Its the license that you bought. There's also something in the copyright act which limits copyright owners first sale something blah blah which denies them the sole right to distribution.

oh yeah forgot to mention that regardless of whether the original copyright owner mentions in the license agreement that you cannot make a backup copy, you can make a backup copy. Basically the copyright act voids that point.

[Grumpy]

@siiix

i guess you do not own any of bf2 or 2142, i suggest you as one of the moderators you inform your self a bit better

Actually I do own BF2 and play it often, without the need for the DVD in the drive!
Believe me I am very well informed.

The rest of your post is just laughable! It just shows how ill-informed and niave you really are!