Rise And Fall: CaW - Starforce 3.7

[Nightmare]

Does this method (burning on DVD+RW) also work for other games?
For example SpellForce 2, Prince of Persia TTT etc.

Greets

[Zulu]

Originally Posted by Nightmare

Does this method (burning on DVD+RW) also work for other games?
For example SpellForce 2, Prince of Persia TTT etc.

Greets

If you mean "running in normal IDE drives", yes, but only for titles protected with SF 3.7.16.x or those patched to that version.
e.g. for Spellforce 2 + RfB try RICOHJPNW11
Blazing Angels + Rise&Fall* try PHILIPS 041/DAXON D42 (all titles german version, other version maybe other pressings)

* DTM3 is same pressing, but not patched to 3.7.16, yet

[Morglum007]

www.cdsteam.org

See first notice. At botton u will find brand media with its media code for SF to verify disc.

In spanish, but who knows....

[Edit by Joe Forster/STA: use http://babelfish.altavista.com for translating web pages...]

CdSTeam

[peyre1]

I dont think any of this stuff really works , its all a conspiracy theory manufactured by the copy protectors so they get the last laugh.Can always remember when Lotus racing f1 team covering up their magic diff after every race when it was the side wings that made their cars go faster in the 70s. Who really wants to dismantle their pc pull off all the wires to their hard drives burn a copy to a certain rewitable disk. My god id sooner risk using the orriginal and take extra care not to scratch it. There is more chance messing with the inners of my pc and breaking it than any chance of ruining a replacable orriginal £ 34.50 disk. Is it me , or as the whole world gone mad.

[Zulu]

@Morglum007

Do those "accidental" copies of SF titles using version 3.5-3.7.13 run in every drive connected via MB's IDE channel ? Or do they only run in systems where a RMPS copy would run anyway (depending on ATAPI check) ?

e.g. my copy of DTM3 on CMCW03 does only authenticate in drive connected to RAID Controller when using device/subsystem_id change (just like with RMPS copy)

Phase1: Estimated RPM 1697.580 = 35.344 ms
Phase2: RPM 4726.927 = 12.693 ms (deviation 0.016 ms)
Phase2: SPR 39.462 = 48-17.79%
Phase4: RPM 4726.317 = 12.695 ms (deviation 0.010 ms)
Phase4: SPR 42.738 = 48-10.96%
Phase3: RPM changed by -0.01%
Phase3: Step 1: Angle 98 degree = 67+31 (SPR 40.0 = 9.0 deg/sector)
Phase3: Step 2: Angle 52 degree = 23+29 (SPR 40.6 = 8.9 deg/sector)
Phase3: Step 3: Angle 154 degree = 123+31 (SPR 41.1 = 8.8 deg/sector)
Phase3: Step 4: Angle 30 degree = 1+29 (SPR 41.7 = 8.6 deg/sector)
Phase3: Step 5: Angle 32 degree = 4+28 (SPR 42.2 = 8.5 deg/sector)
Phase3: Step 6: Angle 157 degree = 134+23 (SPR 42.7 = 8.4 deg/sector)

with other games my drive(s) forgive much bigger deviations, so that shouldn't be the reason (btw. CMCW03 seems to be the one to fit the phases of most 3.7.16 titles)

P.S. Great to see cdsteam site back (at least i haven't found it before )

[Morglum007]

As we have tested yet, these "accidental" copies will run almost everywhere ( by now).

Seems newer and "imbatible" Frontline disc check in the middle of discs closes too much to the required zone topology in such discs.

The 3.7 Sf games we have in Spain ( remember some of them havent been released yet, so i could not test with them) and i have tested works almost perfect: War on terror & Rise and fall. We have a little caotic here with same brands and different media codes ( viewable with DVD info pro for example), but we considered this previous "rumour" interesting and tested, with amazing results. I'm not the only one got working copies, we did test with 5 different people from different countries, so tests are perfectly valid.

We also tried different recorders to see if recorder had something to do, and result was...nothing, recorders does not matter, the important thing is the media.

We only noticed interesting problems with those Nforce chipset Mobo and controllers. Cloned DVD didnt work here till we unplug them from mobo and conected via USB, so thats the only issue we found. Seems SF makes check stronger in those motherboards.

As i stated in cdfreaks long ago, seems some of my guessings about MR (mount rainnier) and +R format was correct. We will continue testing.

In the other way, still looking for older SF DVD protected titles. At the end of disc track, seems SF still goes strong.

TIP: Those games didnt work on Nforce based system till verified from USB external drive (same disc). Maybe thats the ATAPI check u mention:

War on terror
Toca race driver 3
GTI - Racing
LA rush

[Grumpy]

@Morglum
Hello M, great to see cdsteam is back in business.

[Zulu]

Originally Posted by Morglum007

Seems SF makes check stronger in those motherboards.

So that might be the reason for my Toca/DTM3 not to run, too ? What do you mean when saying "stronger" (without getting too technical ) ?

Another example (this time without ID changes for my SiI0649): Blazing Angels 1.0 (3.7.13) doesn't run, but v1.01 (3.7.16) does, same DVD/drive.

P.S.: My IDE ports are blocked by my graphic card's vent (AC Silencer); so i was too lazy to try on normal IDE channel; will try Blazing Angels 1.0 at a friend this evening (i865P).