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Old 10-12-2005, 09:32
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As I already said, i tried different settings and the game never ran smoothly, I don't think that a p4 3.06 HT with 1Gb RAM and a 128 Video Card isn't enough to run a game smoothly at 640x480 and min quality, don't ya think?
But maybe you prefer to talk about the crappy IA, which makes rivals stop to wait for ya, or maybe about the fact that the weather doesn't really affect the driving model. And what about the strange fact that a Punto is able to beat a Toyota Supra?
You can say what you want about the 2 Underground, but they are honest games of illegal races, not a bad arcade with a heavy gfx engine and a lot of bugs; for me NFS ended with Hot Pursuit 2, a big game with beautiful cars and a lot of variety.
I can even tolerate a game which is too heavy for what it really shows on screen (i.e. FEAR), but if you sum a lot of bugs which also affect pc performances in other games, are you still sure this is a decent game?
An advice: go around and search the forums all over the world; you'll find a lot of people which are not completely happy of this game.
If it runs well on your pc, it doesn't mean it is a well-programmed game, maybe you're just lucky. And maybe you need to open your eyes.
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Old 10-12-2005, 17:10
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talk about the crappy IA, which makes rivals stop to wait for ya, or maybe about the fact that the weather doesn't really affect the driving model. And what about the strange fact that a Punto is able to beat a Toyota Supra?
What you refer to here is 'realism'. It has nothing to do with being crappy! What do you honestly expect from a car game! Anyone can say those things about any game. Have you ever known anyone to do over 300kph through city streets then crash into a car and be able to keep driving!? All car games (all games in fact) are unrealistic! I know this as I actually play 'with my eyes open'!! And I have never noticed the AI stop to let me catch up? Maybe you should try staying in front of the AI instead of behind!
And I wasnt knocking the Underground games! They were good games but I feel 'Most Wanted' is better. But how can you say they were honest games? Again cars doing unrealistic speeds through crowded city streets and performing unrealistic jumps!? Yeh real honest!
I still feel it is because of your system that you have troubles with this game!
I only have, P4 3.2 HT, 2gig Ram, 256mb Graphic card and like I said ran the game on Max settings but at 1024x768. Your machine should be able to run it a lot better than 'Minimum settings at 640x480'? So you have a problem with your system somewhere! Again you are criticizing a game because of the machine it is running on!
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If it runs well on your pc, it doesn't mean it is a well-programmed game,
I agree, but if it runs bad on your system it does not mean it is a bad programmed game either!! I think it is you who should open their eyes!! For every one person who complains about a game there will probably be between 100-1000 that really enjoy the game!? The problem with any forum is no-one really writes to say something good about a game, they only write in to complain!! Like yourself!! Again open your eyes!
I only tried to say that you should not criticize a game simply because it doesnt run well on your machine!
And 'Yes' I am still sure it is a decent game! You just have to know how to play!!
Now for my advice: Buy yourself a football (soccer ball) if the computer games are to hard for you!
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Old 10-12-2005, 18:53
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The world is full of negatives nowadays, not like when we were kids when you went outside and played and if you had a comp you played it for an hour or 2.
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Old 11-12-2005, 00:36
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Grumpy, I can see you avoided to touch some of the points (IE driving model and performance balance betwenn much different cars) I underlined, but it doesn't really matter.
As you have said, for 1 person who complains there are 1000 who have fun, but this seems just a good excuse.
Once upon a time, there weren't all these problems with games; I can remember the days spent with Quake II, when I was just a child and had no knowledge of the pc; I never had problems. (and there was windows 98 besides!!!!)
Yes, today there are son many hardware configs that it's not possible to test the game with every1, but it's not a good thing to think only o users who have the latest gfx card, the latest procio, 3kgs ram and the latest drivers for every damned piece of hardware they have.
The two undergrounds had the same probs of most wanted about playability, but, as I said, thy were honest, cause they tried to reproduce one specific kind of situation (----> illegal races) and they almost completely succeeded.
But then, what NFSMW pretends to be???
It has dream cars, which run just like a 15000 euros Fiat Punto; it has customization, but so restricted that Rock'n'Roll Racing is more permissive; it has circuits which seem always the same, and the weather conditions don't affect driving. Oh, and police IA remained the same of Hot Pursiut 2, if not worse.
One consideration about "realism", pleeze, don't make me laugh.
If you run like Michel Vaillant with a monstrous car, youl'll still see rivals biting the asphalt after you. If you run like a drunken monkey with a standard car, you'l be still able to beat a dark gray Supra with yellow & red flames and every type of tuning allowed by this (poor) game. This is the essence of modern games: no trial & error, just go ahead to the end, with rivals waiting for you to beat them 2 metres before the finish line. Easy gaming for no-brain gamers: that's what it is, nothin' more, nothin' less.
Grumpy, if you still feel I talk on the wings of envy cause I've not an high-end pc, that's just your prob. I solved mine bringing back the pc ver. to the store and renting the xbox one. It's still crap anyway, just 3-4 days of multiplayer and then back to the store, again and forever.
You know, I'm not old (20) but I started playing "seriously" when I was 7, I've never considered gfx a matter of interest and I prefer running a game at 640x480 fluently then at 1024x768 with some slowdowns. But when you can't have fun cause programmers & beta testers are just incompetent, and publishers pretend to condemn piracy while they get 50 euros a game and they don't get ensured about the quality of the game, then I sit down, stop playing and just look at the sunset.
Last point. NO. I repeat: NO, my laptop hasn't any sort of problem, except for bad coded NFSMW. After formatting 2 TIMES (I made the mistake of installing that CRAPPY game 2 times), it returned to its golden age, which started in july (last OS reinstalling before these days) and would have continued but it couldn't, thx again to NFSMW. End of the story.
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:18
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Hahahahaha! You poor misguided soul! Found your football yet?
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I would be glad to send some donkey-style programmers and some other blind-gamers to play soccer instead; They would cause less damage to the essence of videogamez.
And, if I don't ask too much, could you please reply point after point to my preceiding post? I guess you can't cause sane criticism doesn't run well on your brain, damn unfornutately you can't get a new one.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:58
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Sorry for the double post.
Grumpy, didn't want to be offensive, but the fact is that I hate to waste the hard-earned money of my parents (I'm a student), so don't take it like a personal attack cause all I would like to make you understand is that this is the 1.000th time that a game isn't worth his price.
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Hang on, the game may run like crap, on your system, but I personally thought the game was well done and a lot better than the NFS Underground games!
Without going into details about my system specs I managed to play the game with all settings on maximum and the game ran perfectly.
I think you are giving the game a bad review only because it doesnt run perfect on your machine?
Like any game I believe it all depends on the system you are trying to run it on.
Again, I only tried to suggest you should maybe not criticize a game just because it wont run on your machine! I did not originally start to have a go at you until you made the remark "And maybe you need to open your eyes."
My kids have a P4 2.8 HT 1gig Ram and a 128 Graphics card yet even they can run it on Medium settings at 1024x768!! So, you little dipstick again I say to you it is your goddam machine that is letting you down!!!
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I never said anything about you being envious?? But obviously you are envious of something? Again my kids system runs the game better than your ****ty machine!! And my kids is a less spec machine than yours! Doesnt that tell you something?
As far as touching on your points, when you make a valid point I may consider touching on it! Besides why bother when your dimwit brain can only answer with "but this seems just a good excuse"!!
Every game will tell you "You must install the latest drivers"!!
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It has dream cars
What do/did you seriously expect??
If you want a real car get a Driving License and get out on the road!! Pull yourself away from that crappy system of yours and buy a real car!! Of course they are Dream cars??
Sane criticism you say?? Where was the sane criticism? You dont even understand that playing games is playing in a dream world! Its not real!! Its not meant to be real!! Please tell me a PC game that was real?? Sane criticism, wow I am still laughing and shaking my head at that comment!!
Telling me to 'open my eyes' and trying to refer to me as another 'Blind Gamer' only proceeds to 'Piss me off' and believe me that in itself is not a smart thing to do!!
Now pull your head out of the clouds and go and buy a 'real' car!!

EDIT: What do you mean you didnt want to be offensive!? What telling me I cant take sane criticism wasnt meant to be offensive!!! Dream on mummys boy!! If you dont want to waste mummies money then go rent the game, you know try before you buy!!
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