Protection Matrix Path of Neo?

[Smood47]

Originally Posted by plethaus

As I said.. that gets the game to run, but without any of the benefits of the patch.

I' am not so sure about this because firstly keep in mind the patch was 50+ megs, the bin difference is 2 megs. Secondly for the game to work when the .bin was replaced indeed means that certain new protection algorithms or subroutines must have been within this file... or another file dependent on this file as Legend pointed out.
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[ravid]

im not sure i think the patch isnt affecting with the replecment of the old .bin file.
but at least it working, but i wont play untill the offical crack or mini image or whatever is out, i dont wanna lose the fun of the game.
where can i see the version?(i mean ingame)

[plethaus]

Originally Posted by Smood47

I' am not so sure about this because firstly keep in mind the patch was 50+ megs, the bin difference is 2 megs. Secondly for the game to work when the .bin was replaced indeed means that certain new protection algorithms or subroutines must have been within this file... or another file dependent on this file as Legend pointed out.

If you watch the patching process, you'll see that 99% of all the patching is done for all of the different languages, and I think that's where most of the 50 megs are.

It is true that the BIN file contains the copy protection, but that doesn't mean that's ALL it contains. Tons of games have .EXEs that contain both the copy protection scheme and many functions of the game itself.

Put it this way... if that BIN file doesn't affect anything other than the copy protection, then it's the worst patch ever created, because not a single thing in the list of fixes for the patch is fixed.

[Smood47]

Originally Posted by plethaus

If you watch the patching process, you'll see that 99% of all the patching is done for all of the different languages, and I think that's where most of the 50 megs are.

It is true that the BIN file contains the copy protection, but that doesn't mean that's ALL it contains. Tons of games have .EXEs that contain both the copy protection scheme and many functions of the game itself.

Put it this way... if that BIN file doesn't affect anything other than the copy protection, then it's the worst patch ever created, because not a single thing in the list of fixes for the patch is fixed.

Yes its possible the bin contains other things. Looking at the other files it seems much of the game information may indeed be in this file. A good way to test this is for someone to install the patch and watch the directories as the patch is patching and seeing what files besides the .bin and the language files is changed. /common/misc is a candidate.

Unfortunately I don't forsee anyone releasing a fix to this problem because most people believe (especially the crackers) that an image works for all patches... but this is simply not true. In other words... don't hold your breath.
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[Hydraulic_Man]

hey,

I'm new here, but I also have a question that I can't solve with PON.

I have the unpatched version.

I installed daemon

-mounted the image
-all emulation options on
-exit daemon
-clicked yes on leave on emulation options enabled

Opened Sr7.stop_1.0

-click hide
-quit sr7.stop

I start up PON and I still always get the error
"Original disk could not be found or authenticated"

Is it also the same with you that the Matrix3W32S.bin keeps on autorunning and autorunning to start up the game until it almost freeze your pc?

I can each time click an "ok" button after i get the "Original disk could not be found or authenticated" error, but it keeps on comming back.

Once I got into the game after clicking ok, I changed resolution and stuff, got trown out and since then never got back in...

[DABhand]

What unpatched image?

[Hydraulic_Man]

No unpatched game, I stil have the 1.0 version so the 1.01 patch can't be the problem.

I used the neo-mini as image

[DABhand]

Ok Ok, youve confused me..

Unpatched, all you have to use is this..


Sr7Stop
Daemon Tools

(When installing daemon tools you have to rename the bus drivers during install... Then after installing you enable all emulation and mount the image, go back and goto the same option for mounting an image, at the bottom you will see properties. Goto this and change the top 3 options, Vendor,etc to something else.

After which you run sr7stop, then close daemon tools from taskbar saying yes to keep emulation running. It should play this way.

Or you can try Anti-Blaxx.)

[vedderx]

Found this posted on another forum

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To get this to work with the patch using only the game mounted in Daemon Tools and some registry modifications:

1. Find the 'Scsi Port #' key under HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SCSI\ that corresponds with Daemon Tools (look at the Driver key for the Daemon tools driver name.) Either change the permissions to Deny everything for your user or group, or change the Driver value here to anything else. (Securom will look up the driver in another part of the registry so it doesn't fool it if you're not using the default Daemon Tools driver name.)

2. Find HKLM\System\MountedDevices and locate the registry key that corresponds with your virtual drive. For example: \DosDevices\G: is mine. Rename this key to anything else such as \DosDevices\G:.backup. Make sure that you do not deny any permissions to MountedDevices, otherwise Securom will indicate that a security module couldn't be activated.

3. Find HKLM\SOFTWARE\D-Tools and change the permissions to Deny everything.

If you still get the message about a security module that couldn't be activated, either you are denying permissions to something in the registry that you shouldn't be, you have another virtual drive program that it is detected whose presence you'll need to hide, or it's complaining about some other active program. For instance, if I have Regmon or NewsLeecher open, Securom complains. Why Securom would blacklist a Newsreader I don't know.

By the way, this worked for the latest FEAR patch as well. Some of these registry changes are reverted when you reboot and need to be reapplied. The change that hides D-Tools will prevent Daemon Tools from loading so make sure it's already running and change it back as necessary.

UPDATE: If, when you installed Alcohol or Daemon Tools, you kept the default names for the drivers, you'll need to uninstall and reinstall the software. This time, choose your own names for those drivers, because Securom is hard-coded to look for the default names. I uninstalled Alcohol and reinstalled it in expert mode (minus the StarWind iScsi service), choosing some random names for the drivers. Then I took the same steps I did for Daemon Tools (this time denying permissions on HKLM/Software/Alcohol Soft instead of HKLM/Software/D-Tools) and it worked.

[THE LEGEND]

Can anyone confirm this method?
Also, the last "UPDATE:..." part is not clear. In that part you say you will have to re-install for instance Daemon Tools and assign a new name for the virtual device, but you can change the name in step 1's registry key and also in HKLM\SOFTWARE\D-Tools, which clearly reads the virtual drive's name.
So if we re-install daemon and assign another name, then step 1 is useless, right?
Also, if we deny the premissions, do we still need to reinstall and change the d-tools driver name?

Please someone try this and answer.

[Smood47]

Can you post a link to where you found this?
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[THE LEGEND]

Originally Posted by vedderx

Found this posted on another forum

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To get this to work with the patch using only the game mounted in Daemon Tools and some registry modifications:

1. Find the 'Scsi Port #' key under HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SCSI\ that corresponds with Daemon Tools (look at the Driver key for the Daemon tools driver name.) Either change the permissions to Deny everything for your user or group, or change the Driver value here to anything else. (Securom will look up the driver in another part of the registry so it doesn't fool it if you're not using the default Daemon Tools driver name.)

2. Find HKLM\System\MountedDevices and locate the registry key that corresponds with your virtual drive. For example: \DosDevices\G: is mine. Rename this key to anything else such as \DosDevices\G:.backup. Make sure that you do not deny any permissions to MountedDevices, otherwise Securom will indicate that a security module couldn't be activated.

3. Find HKLM\SOFTWARE\D-Tools and change the permissions to Deny everything.

If you still get the message about a security module that couldn't be activated, either you are denying permissions to something in the registry that you shouldn't be, you have another virtual drive program that it is detected whose presence you'll need to hide, or it's complaining about some other active program. For instance, if I have Regmon or NewsLeecher open, Securom complains. Why Securom would blacklist a Newsreader I don't know.

By the way, this worked for the latest FEAR patch as well. Some of these registry changes are reverted when you reboot and need to be reapplied. The change that hides D-Tools will prevent Daemon Tools from loading so make sure it's already running and change it back as necessary.

UPDATE: If, when you installed Alcohol or Daemon Tools, you kept the default names for the drivers, you'll need to uninstall and reinstall the software. This time, choose your own names for those drivers, because Securom is hard-coded to look for the default names. I uninstalled Alcohol and reinstalled it in expert mode (minus the StarWind iScsi service), choosing some random names for the drivers. Then I took the same steps I did for Daemon Tools (this time denying permissions on HKLM/Software/Alcohol Soft instead of HKLM/Software/D-Tools) and it worked.

Do this and it will work, I GUARANTEE IT. I have tested it and it works. But its CRUCIAL that you use DAEMON TOOLS and when you install it you RENAME the virtual devices. The default names are "d347bus" and "d347prt" I think. Just rename them, and then do the 3 steps above.
To sum it up:

1. Fresh install of DAEMON TOOLS and rename the virtual drive (both names must be different from each other).
2. Go to HKEYLOCALMACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\scsi , and find your virtual device port number (there are usually 3 ports, and the virtual one is USUALLY number 3, it should read your virtual device name, if you named it "demon6", then you should see it there). DONT CHANGE THE NAME, just do the deny everything in permissions.
3. Do the same (deny everything) in HKEYLOCALMACHINE\SOFTWARE\D-TOOLS.
4. Go to HKEYLOCALMACHINE\System\MountedDevice and rename the virtual drive letter (mine is G: for instance) to G:.Backup.

Then the game will start.

[vedderx]

Only problem is - you lose your registrey settings AFTER a re-boot - or am I the only having this problem?

[Smood47]

Originally Posted by vedderx

Found this posted on another forum

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To get this to work with the patch using only the game mounted in Daemon Tools and some registry modifications:

1. Find the 'Scsi Port #' key under HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SCSI\ that corresponds with Daemon Tools (look at the Driver key for the Daemon tools driver name.) Either change the permissions to Deny everything for your user or group, or change the Driver value here to anything else. (Securom will look up the driver in another part of the registry so it doesn't fool it if you're not using the default Daemon Tools driver name.)

2. Find HKLM\System\MountedDevices and locate the registry key that corresponds with your virtual drive. For example: \DosDevices\G: is mine. Rename this key to anything else such as \DosDevices\G:.backup. Make sure that you do not deny any permissions to MountedDevices, otherwise Securom will indicate that a security module couldn't be activated.

3. Find HKLM\SOFTWARE\D-Tools and change the permissions to Deny everything.

If you still get the message about a security module that couldn't be activated, either you are denying permissions to something in the registry that you shouldn't be, you have another virtual drive program that it is detected whose presence you'll need to hide, or it's complaining about some other active program. For instance, if I have Regmon or NewsLeecher open, Securom complains. Why Securom would blacklist a Newsreader I don't know.

By the way, this worked for the latest FEAR patch as well. Some of these registry changes are reverted when you reboot and need to be reapplied. The change that hides D-Tools will prevent Daemon Tools from loading so make sure it's already running and change it back as necessary.

UPDATE: If, when you installed Alcohol or Daemon Tools, you kept the default names for the drivers, you'll need to uninstall and reinstall the software. This time, choose your own names for those drivers, because Securom is hard-coded to look for the default names. I uninstalled Alcohol and reinstalled it in expert mode (minus the StarWind iScsi service), choosing some random names for the drivers. Then I took the same steps I did for Daemon Tools (this time denying permissions on HKLM/Software/Alcohol Soft instead of HKLM/Software/D-Tools) and it worked.

Will this work for DT4 ?
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[Neubauer21]

No this will not workj wiuth daemon tools 4 this is the same procedure from Link Removed ? just got it working with 3.47