Splinter Cell Chaos Theory No-Cd

[GLH]

Originally Posted by Event Horizon

Point number one: I "PAY" for a game, that means I become the owner. If I want to make a thousand copy of the game for myself and destroy one copy everyday, this is MY business.

That's wrong! You don't become the owner of the game, you only get the license to play the game.
The manufacturer is not obligated to give you the ability to make a backup copy of the cd/dvd.
If the game don't work send it back to UbiSoft and reclaim your money, but stop crying like a baby about StarForce (I can't hear it anymore !!!).

[Event Horizon]

First of all thanks to Grumpy (I signed for the petition) and muJi.fiGHt3r for the support. To GLH: This is exactly my point: the license. We shouldn't speak about a lincese for games. Games are not like DVD movies. You have to install them to your computer, that where it becomes "our" business. I pay for the license to use a game or a software, not a license to install strange programs in my computer that avoid also to play the software itself. EULA is just an obligation for legal troubles but we all know that nobody will fully read it or fully understand it (which is a lot more important); maybe only if you have a lawyer close to you everytime you install a software.

If the game don't work send it back to UbiSoft and reclaim your money, but stop crying like a baby about StarForce

I'm trying to get more than this but it's not easy for legal reasons, I will suggest in the future (if I may) if you don't want to see "babys'crying" to read other threads that maybe concern you more than just a simple "license" problem.

[DABhand]

The guy is also a moderator and its his job to make sure threads are 100% legit.


And yes he is right, if the EULA states you can make 1 copy of the disc then you are allowed to, if they say no, then you cant. Its amazing how many people think cause it doesnt say they are allowed means they can.

And only 1!

And GLH is right also, you bought a license to play the game on 1 machine. You do not own the game, Ubisoft do still own the game rights, as said you only bought the right to play it and own the media that you have, not the contents of the media.

[Muji-FightR]

you only bought the right to play it and own the media that you have, not the contents of the media.

My question is now:
If this is right what you say (and it is I guess) isn't CD2DVD making (whatever the activity itself is called) illegal too ?
You change the content, and you don't own the content, is this legal ?
I always thought that what I buy belongs to me but i think that's wrong, especially in case of games...
Please make this a little bit more clear for me, DABhand

[Event Horizon]

DABhand has a good point of view. From now on lets talk about a different subject: the rights. Everything revolves around this subject. I make a game then when I sell it I decide the contract between the seller and the customer (which is absolutely normal). This is of course to defend the rights of the crew who created a software and also to defend the customer. But then with this criteria we fall down to a deeper subject. I could litteraly write everything inside the contract and when a user agree by pressing a button is almost like signing the contract. From this point of view the customer doesn't have any right. Coming back to GLH subject I can't even send it back to Ubisoft, because this should be done within a limited period of time. Meanwhile I was waiting at least for an answer from Ubisoft, maybe just to say that there is no solution to my problem. This did't happen even if the contract says that they should reply within 48 hours (this in Italy, where I bought the game). But then again inside the "Terms of use" they manage to put that: "UBI.COM MAKES NO WARRANTY THAT ANY SERVICE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR ERROR-FREE". With just a click you have to agree otherwise you can't even become a Ubisoft Member and therefore you can't contact them to have any support.

Ending this story I pay 60€ for what? To buy a disk it doesn't even work and worst of all in case it was working I have to control my children that they are not going to destroy a DVD game, the only thing I did is to pay to own anything at all. Just a licence, which I signed... From now on no more signatures from me, I will still buy games that have small or no protection at all, so I will still continue to grow my small library with original software without worrying not to scratch a DVD that doesn't even belong to me...
Then, where are our rights ?

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by muJi.fiGHt3r

My question is now:
If this is right what you say (and it is I guess) isn't CD2DVD making (whatever the activity itself is called) illegal too ?
You change the content, and you don't own the content, is this legal ?
I always thought that what I buy belongs to me but i think that's wrong, especially in case of games...
Please make this a little bit more clear for me, DABhand

Not necessarily, since you arent amending the data (i.e. changing its coding) but yes on when you change the installer file (usually .msi).


Since most conversations can be straight copy and paste jobs, that isnt illegal as you havent amended the data that was on the other media.

However, like I said changing the installer file, whatever it may be, to install a game that multispans so it reads the same disc is illegal as you changed the data. But making your own installer file from scratch to install the game isnt, since its yours.

Weird but hey hum :P

[Event Horizon]

Originally Posted by !HaGaR!
My aim and intention is to stop this unproductive "chit-chat"

This of course is an unproductive chit-chat here on this forum but I already have the legals of my company working on it. Like for Italy there are two laws for a contract to be valid: Either you SIGN a contract or you directly BUY a software that contains a contract. In these cases you are agreeing to whatever contract is written. This case can't be applied if you receive a gift from somebody.

This post was not for talking or chitchatting about EULA, but simply to ask a help to make an ORIGINAL DVD of SCCT to work since I still did't find the solution of my 1st problem: I launch SCCT as soon as the disk checking disappear nothing is happening! Help me at least to play this license I payed for!!!

[!HaGaR!]

Originally Posted by Event Horizon

EULA is just an obligation for legal troubles but we all know that nobody will fully read it or fully understand it (which is a lot more important); maybe only if you have a lawyer close to you everytime you install a software.

- Maaan! I ate 10 boxes of sweets yesterday. Great! There was no sugar in it. Why? Haha! I throw the box away without reading the ingridients-list... So... I don´t know there is sugar in it. So, it means it is sugar-free...

- Whoaw! Robbed a bank yesterday. Can´t be illegal... Or does anyone read the complete list of laws... or fully obay them?!

- I am ignoring the english grammar and vocabulary. Do I write without mistakes? I think so, because I never learned any rules...

Bored of this discussion...

[Talus]

Then why did you read this thread?

[!HaGaR!]

... the Threadtitle was about SCCT and not about the pro and cons of eula/copyright/do´s-and-dont´ts...

[henry]

Hmm isn't this site dedicated to copying games, making a copy of the original in order that it can be kept safe?
GameCopyWorld, that does mean to copy and or play without the original yes?

So please stop acting like you're the personal representative of the RIAA or whatever body is out there. To keep us from protecting OUR property, that is the medium containing film, game, application whatever we PAID for and would not be replaced should it get damaged from everyday usage.

Is this site here to help us combat this, if not what is the point of this forum?
Warez or not, you are in breach of copyright law by helping in anyway full stop.

[!HaGaR!]

Originally Posted by henry

Hmm isn't this site dedicated to copying games, making a copy of the original in order that it can be kept safe?
GameCopyWorld, that does mean to copy and or play without the original yes?

So please stop acting like you're the personal representative of the RIAA or whatever body is out there. To keep us from protecting OUR property, that is the medium containing film, game, application whatever we PAID for and would not be replaced should it get damaged from everyday usage.

Is this site is here to help us combat this, if not what is the point of this forum?
Warez or not, you are in breach of copyright law by helping in anyway full stop.

My aim and intention is to stop this unproductive "chit-chat". Sure, I am here because I also would like to have backups of my originals. Latest one: Worms 4 Mayhem. Newest and nastiest Starforce (seems to detect sfn - even original disc says insert me in another drive when using external usb).

But each day a new thread about the "virus" starforce and the discussion if it is legal that starforce installs itself DOES NOT HELP making backups.

Right?! So let´s get back to the threadtitle. No No-CD/DVD/DirectLoad crack out there. Backup will work with external USB/SFN method. Use search button.

Grood night fellas.

Note: I don´t want ANY flame wars, so I will give no further respond to this thread.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by henry

Hmm isn't this site dedicated to copying games, making a copy of the original in order that it can be kept safe?
GameCopyWorld, that does mean to copy and or play without the original yes?

So please stop acting like you're the personal representative of the RIAA or whatever body is out there. To keep us from protecting OUR property, that is the medium containing film, game, application whatever we PAID for and would not be replaced should it get damaged from everyday usage.

Is this site here to help us combat this, if not what is the point of this forum?
Warez or not, you are in breach of copyright law by helping in anyway full stop.

Actually your wrong.


By re-reading some of your posts, im inclined to think your a pro-warez user, and probably never buy anything. I may be wrong offcourse, but that is the picture you portray in your posts.

This site isnt about COPYING games, but making backups of your games. Very 2 different things all together.