A real solution to the StarF**k virus for everyone.

[Sensi]

Originally Posted by dajunka

And the publishers are quite aware of this trend as it is reflected in there profits.

Lol, ask Ubisoft and their starforce protected Splinter cell chaos theory, imho the trend is to make games protected with a real protection against leechers and that is truly working and reflected in their profits.
Who give a **** of what leechers boycott, you would have never bought it if it was not starforce protected anyway... and with starforce, if you really want to play a game without having to wait sometimes weeks for a crack, you buy it.
Moreover it is harder to sell a pirate version of a game with such a protection and that's also what a publisher wants from a protection.

Best regards,
Sensi

[Grumpy]

@Sensi
Lets just get one thing straight, I do not 'Leech' games!
I will not buy a Starforce protected game simply because of the 'Virus' like features it installs onto my system!
Some games are just not worth the headaches they give!

[CrossWire]

@Sensi
Buy it, Ha!, that' just the point, if I buy the game it comes with SF protection and that is what we don't want. If the game comes without SF then I for one, would not hesitate to buy any game I was interested in.
In short we don't want to pirate games with all there hacks and cracks and inability to update, we want to buy them, but the publisher though his greed wont let us.

[DABhand]

At the end of the day how many of your actually read the EULA before saying yes.

Perhaps you should read it, it tells all what Starforce is going to do, and you all agreed to it. :P

[Grumpy]

@Dabhand
You are wrong!
I have just finished reading the EULA for V8 Supercars, Obscure, Soldiers Heroes of WW2 and Street Racing Syndicate. As you may well know these are all Starforce protected games! Nowhere, I repeat 'Nowhere', does it say Starforce will be installed on my system! Nowhere does it say a hidden program or Drivers will be installed on my system! Nowhere!
If these companys responsible were not trying to hide the fact they are secretly installing hidden software onto our systems they would gladly state in the EULA what their intentions are!
In the V8 Supercars game manual, inside of the front cover, it clearly states:
"This Codemasters game is protected by the FADE protection system. If you purchase an illegal copy of the game, you will be able to play it - but not for long. As you play, the gameplay of a pirated copy will degrade."
Now if they are not hiding anything why dont they go on to tell us about Starforce? Because they are doing it illegally!! Nowhere do they mention Starforce!
In the SRS EULA they mention:
"Limitation of liability
To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event will publisher or its third-party suppliers or distributors be liable for any direct, indirect, special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of the use of or inability to use the licensed product, including, without limitation, damages for lost profits, loss of data, loss of good will, work stoppage, computer failure or malfunction, even if advised of the possibility thereof, and regardless of the legal or equitable theory (contract, tort, or otherwise) upon which the claim is based. In no event shall publisher be liable to user in any amount exceeding the amount of the license fee paid to publisher."
Again 'Nowhere' does it mention Starforce is going to be installed on my system! But they do mention the possibility of something causing 'computer failure or malfunction'!
Hmmm, now I do wonder what is going to cause the failure or malfunction? I do believe many of us are aware of what is going to do this! Yes, Starforce!
This is their way of trying to protect themselves! But how can this be taken seriously when I could use the argument that nothing about Starforce protection being installed is mentioned in any of the documents they have supplied!
I have followed this Starforce argument/discussion from the beginning, and I now believe you really are sitting on your high horse about this! I watched you come on board this forum and believed you showed enough intelligence and knowledge to be a great asset to these forums. I have spoken with you before and found you to be a likeable person. But I now believe you are being very difficult and unintelligent about this subject! You have now stated something about 'reading the EULA' which in my opinion is just not correct!!
So I now ask the question: "Have you infact read the EULA?" I believe not!
If you have found the words "Starforce Protection will be installed" in another game EULA then by all means send it to me and I will gladly appolagize for what I have said about you being difficult!
But untill then please dont say things that are not correct! Nowhere does it say in the EULA that Starforce will be installed!

[Game-Hacker]

I read the EULA of Stronghold2 and I can't see a word mentioning STARFORCE. So can we sue firefly studio?

[CrossWire]

@DABhand
Do you by any chance have your foot in your mouth?

[Joe Forster/STA]

Yeah, sure! Even the first posts about problems with the new Starforce system in other forums were about Starforce being installed without its own EULA displayed or Starforce being mentioned in the game's EULA...