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[DABhand]

Joe you still have to answer my question about your law.

What is your intepretation of the "contract" which is said in the line you pasted?


Im not the one blinded, im stating facts, im not happy with high prices, but im not going to blame them for it, as you well know and wont admit if it wasnt for piracy and warez these prices wouldnt be so high.

And as ive said before ive heard the countless favourite excuses, ive been around since early atari consoles etc, ive seen prices exceed due to piracy.


But im still waiting to hear your answer on that question, that you non-challantly gave a wide berth in an earlier thread a month or so ago.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hey DABhand,

I have nothing more to answer you as I gave you my answer back then already! If you didn't understand it or didn't want to accept it, that's your problem, not mine.

As it has been pointed out by others on this forum, too, local, country-specific laws have priority over any EULA. There's nothing to be dicussed about it. If you think there is, you gotta "read and learn", as Morglum007 kindly put it.

As for my country, Hungarian law gives you the right to make one backup copy of your original software. There's nothing to be dicussed about it. If you think there is, you gotta learn Hungarian and translate that sentence - or see the original on the Artisjus page - yourself.

So, for the Nth time, what are we arguing about when I'm stating facts and you're just babbling around?!

Joe

[DABhand]

Thats why I asked you, what your intepretation of the contract was.


The contract is an agreement on both parties you and the publisher, and only time you do this is by saying yes to the EULA. That is the contract, and your law says aslong as both parties agree you can make a backup of your software. But, if in the EULA it says it does not you cant.

If by law you are to make a backup of anything, then publishers would be breaking the law by selling software with protections in your country, since you cant easily make a backup.

Im not babbling on, im not giving my intepretation of things, im stating what is and how it is.

And its people who read one persons outrage about something then adopt it themselves without even thinking it out themselves, this leads to all these "Publishers are evil" threads, when as I said the publishers are not to blame entirely, but your ordinary people who download. If it wasnt for those ordinary people downloading, you may have seen more easier to use protections even simple ones.

Im having a debate here, not looking for a fight or a flame war, but it is suprising that many wont view other ideas or facts and think their way is the only way.

Just because I dont share the same ideal views as yourself or others, im supposedly noobish or not worth listening to?

There is always a 2nd side to everything, and I mean everything.

This is for everyone, if you start up a thread for discussion or debate, you must be willing to accept or debate about another persons view. If you dont you shouldnt start up these threads, as you will never get a 100% agreement on anything.

To sum up on this debate, ill put my main points across and leave it at that.

1. Starting up a group to bycott games with SF isnt the best way, not only will the publishers not care they wont listen to what you have to say then, they will view you as non-purchasee i.e. not worth time and money. Best thing to do is get your specs of your PC, with problems using SF protected games, your views both pros and cons and then send to Starforce or the publisher themselves, that way they can work out what is going wrong and correct it. Just like game patches are supposed to do.

2. Blaming the publisher or protection makers is also not the way to go, the only way these bizarre (and yes some are badly made) protections are around is because of the projected loss of sales due to piracy, piracy is here will be always here and probably wont stop. Its the greed of individuals that causes these more bizzare protections to appear on the market.

3. Wether people like it or not, Alcohol 120% or daemon tools is an essential warez app, if you have installed the protections will stop thinking you may or may not have a illegal image of a game, it doesnt know this 100% so to be safe it will detect the emulation and stop. What a protection should be doing, that is what it is made for.

4. As in JediKnights post as I quote "Piracy is way of life.... if you have the money to buy originals, do it. If not, get an illegal copy and use a crack." This is the usual response from a warez kiddy, when you download a game it is not Piracy! Piracy is illegal selling of a game, your just stealing downloading it, but it as just as bad. Now imagine a few million JediKnights thinking the same thing. How many would actually do what was originally said, do you think if they have money go out and buy a game? No offcourse not, they download it cause its free. Stealing plain and simple. And as said before, it doesnt matter if a game is badly designed etc, it is the same stealing.
But what most dont realise is, games like KOTOR2 etc were downloaded alot, so game quality doesnt promise good sales. Even if a game was $5 people would still steal it, that is how it is.

[CrossWire]

@DABhand
All we want to know is are you going to join us and boycott starforce protected games or are you not?

[DABhand]

hehehe I guess my lost post was long winded a bit :P

Nahh there is no point boycotting, help the SF makers by giving them your PC specs and error msg's etc that occur, im sure by helping them they will help you.

Also as I said ive not had any problems in shape or form with Starforce. Im just one of the many lucky ones I guess.

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by DABhand

Nahh there is no point boycotting, help the SF makers by giving them your PC specs and error msg's etc that occur, im sure by helping them they will help you.

I did. I asked SF support why SF wouldn't accept a game cd from any of my 3 SCSI CD/DVD drives. They answered: It's intended because virtual drives are also using/faking SCSI techniques.

I asked them when they got that brain-fart and returned the game for a full refund.
Still waiting for an answer though...

[DABhand]

Hopefully you asked them in nicer words :P

[Morglum007]

Originally Posted by DABhand

hehehe I guess my lost post was long winded a bit :P

Nahh there is no point boycotting, help the SF makers by giving them your PC specs and error msg's etc that occur, im sure by helping them they will help you.

Also as I said ive not had any problems in shape or form with Starforce. Im just one of the many lucky ones I guess.

DABhand, unfortunately, SF guys will not HELP u anymore with problems with its prot. The way SF is turning is by eliminating any thread that could get its protection system compromised. This way, SF will not stop even if many systems get crashed.

I have no problems with SecuROM or Safedisc, and i hadn't too with SF before SCCT arrived. The problem now isn't a cracking/not cracking/copying/not copying/emulating issue. SF is becoming a very interesting system, and it is close to be FULLy cracked.

What i'm trying to say is that SCCT implemented its new SF system to intercept IDE calls "on the flY", checking or not original CD, and this CRASH FOREVER some DVD drives, such LG, Toshiba, or some SONY. When i say crash, i'm saying to buy a new one, cause older does not burn anymore.

Drives without a very stable writing system, like "Just Link", at the end will be ****ed by the intrussion of SF in IDE calls. SF, as someone stated earlier isn't a passive driver anymore, it is fully active ALWAYS, even when extracting DPM or burning DVDs. This way, Just link overloads and then, drive motor spins up an down without any ritmic control. Finally, drive DIES. This is not a foolish warn, thats what spanish people from almost everywhere reports, and we know why. I simply recommend not to use SF to protect their drives, but at ur own ( as said in english).

PS: I have a lot of ORIGINAL games, even with SF, but not for playing the standart way( some of then DOESN'T work on my MACHINE due specs, but i don't care). I use cracks to play them ( to PLAY), even having original, cause i know how SF works, and don't like how it runs.

Null warns are most times useless, thats what i recomend.

Morg

[DABhand]

As burning you mean with Alcohol I guess, I have blindwrite and nero and ive yet to have the same problem as you said.


Perhaps its the virtual drive api's conflicting with SF, cause I dont think the programmers at SF would make something that would intentionally screw up drives, they would be liable to cost if that was indeed the case.

Im not saying they are all good, but nothing is perfect, even protections some will have conflicts while others who use the same dont have the same problems.


Thats why I was saying to help them find out why, by giving them details. At least they can work towards this not happening.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi DABhand,

Originally Posted by DABhand

If by law you are to make a backup of anything, then publishers would be breaking the law by selling software with protections in your country, since you cant easily make a backup.

The law doesn't expect software publishers to allow you to easily make backups of the original software you purchased from them. (I'm not sure how it is phrased, though: if A) "publisher must allow easy backing up" is not mentioned in the law or B) "publisher does not need to allow easy backing up" is explicitly mentioned. I would vote for A) but, for the result, that doesn't really matter anyway...)

Joe