Charlie_PS2 found guilty

[rms2001]

I really hope ever thing works out for the best for Charlie. Hopefully they won’t put the screws to him to bad. I’m wondering how this will affect modchips not only in the UK but every where else.

Since Sony won won in the UK, they mite try and come after the US next. I’m sure they are looking into it very hard to find some loop hole in the DMCA. Just another reason the DMCA needs to be burned.

Also wondering how this will affect XBox modchips in the UK. Think Bill will try and make an example out of some one as well?

[TylerDurden]

Im not too worried about the US version court dates. I know our US lawyers are a bit more sly.



Tyler!

[ottoman]

That sucz.Yet again Sony the Multinational bully one guy. It's really sad an I feel sry for charlie. Out of all the mod chip installers why pick on him?

Don't sony realise how much homebrew software there is out there that is unusable without a modchip.

Also I thought it was legal to be able to back up your own software for your own personal use. I assume Sony will be providing some alternative means for doing this or offering free replacement software for damaged discs??

They suck big time. PS3 or Xbox2? Am getting really swayed the other way!

[ToyFigure]

Legal to own backups or not is not the point, Sony is just trying to make a statement!

Sony's been making Lord knows how much money off us gamers already so what's a few mod-chips going do? Better stock up on them chips before it's too late

[TylerDurden]

They picked on Charlie because he was the front-man. I do wish him luck but unfortunately I doubt he has a lot of fun comming his way for a while.


@ToyFigure,

Thats exactly my point. With that in mind Im sure there is no way Sony can get rid of modchips altogether in the States. We have the more bloodthirsty and sleaziest lawers in the world.



Tyler!

[seaneyb2003]

Originally Posted by ottoman

That sucz.Yet again Sony the Multinational bully one guy. It's really sad an I feel sry for charlie. Out of all the mod chip installers why pick on him?

Don't sony realise how much homebrew software there is out there that is unusable without a modchip.

Also I thought it was legal to be able to back up your own software for your own personal use. I assume Sony will be providing some alternative means for doing this or offering free replacement software for damaged discs??

They suck big time. PS3 or Xbox2? Am getting really swayed the other way!

The reason why is beacause he was a distrbutor of the m2 he was like a main guy in the company if u know what i mean.

[Warlock]

he was a distributor but he wasnt the main guy, charlie couldnt even install a chip, he was like a spokesman for team messiah. I dont have all the facts but from what i hear Team messiah disappeared and left charlie holding the bag.This is the reason i reguard the new messiah chip a fake.

[Quall999]

damn, all i can say is that I hope time passes fast for him. Sometimes the law can be completely unfair, no matter how good the apposing arguement is. Some things have gotten way out of hand in the terms of technology and what is really important in life. I hope things turn out as good as they can for him.

If what you say is true Warlock, then I lost all respect for team messiah.

[Warlock]

Originally Posted by Quall999

damn, all i can say is that I hope time passes fast for him. Sometimes the law can be completely unfair, no matter how good the apposing arguement is. Some things have gotten way out of hand in the terms of technology and what is really important in life. I hope things turn out as good as they can for him.

If what you say is true Warlock, then I lost all respect for team messiah.

Like i said, i dont have all the facts, I also wish him the best. As people say, nothing very good or very bad lasts very long so hopefully this will pass quickly for him.

[dusted]

Originally Posted by ottoman

Also I thought it was legal to be able to back up your own software for your own personal use. I assume Sony will be providing some alternative means for doing this or offering free replacement software for damaged discs??

Being legally allowed to backup a disc for whatever reason depends on whether the ability is written into licencing.

But at the end of the day he wasn't done for backing up discs, he was done for selling ways of bypassing the copy protection system. Sony would do anything to protect their and their investers interests. Just the same as any other company would.

Just the same as you would if someone was preventing you from earning income that you would otherwise earn.

Please note that I am in no way against piracy. I have a chipped PS2, when i get a new one i'll get it chipped as well. And i work in a retail store that sells console games & dvd movies.

[dusted]

Mod chips are illegal in Australia too.

Sony has already won a court case over some company somewhere here.

[Quall999]

yah, Some things are just stupid. There is no room for common sense in coart rooms (refers to mcD's case). I mean, there was a 12 year old girl fined well over $100,000 for downloading 1 song off of the internet. Wow, such a henious crime. Think should would have gotten the same sentencing if she stole the whole CD strait from a record store? Although this is unrelated to Davids case, it just shows how most priority's are more important than a persons well being.

[dusted]

Originally Posted by Quall999

yah, Some things are just stupid. There is no room for common sense in coart rooms (refers to mcD's case). I mean, there was a 12 year old girl fined well over $100,000 for downloading 1 song off of the internet. Wow, such a henious crime. Think should would have gotten the same sentencing if she stole the whole CD strait from a record store? Although this is unrelated to Davids case, it just shows how most priority's are more important than a persons well being.

Agreed, a 12 year old girl really would ge a slap on a wrist and hr parents handle the rest.

Really there needs to be some kind of consistancy with these acts.

[rms2001]

Originally Posted by Quall999

yah, Some things are just stupid. There is no room for common sense in coart rooms (refers to mcD's case). I mean, there was a 12 year old girl fined well over $100,000 for downloading 1 song off of the internet. Wow, such a henious crime. Think should would have gotten the same sentencing if she stole the whole CD strait from a record store? Although this is unrelated to Davids case, it just shows how most priority's are more important than a persons well being.

It all revolves back to being made an example of. Being 12 and being sued wasn’t really the point. The point was the IRAA could and did take this girl and make an example out of her. This showed every one had they had the balls to do it in hopes that it would discourage others from downloading. Not that it really did a lot of good, downloading just went more underground.

As for the laws in the UK (and other co British ruled land) on chips is kinda weird. Sony was not really saying making the back ups were illegal, it was how it was being played that was illegal. They were going on the basis that the chip bypassed their code and they felt afraid by that.

Just like this 12 year old girl, Charlie is just a example I’m sure there will be more as time gos on too.

[rms2001]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

Im not too worried about the US version court dates. I know our US lawyers are a bit more sly.



Tyler!

http://www.the-console-corner.com/scea_vs_tcc.pdf

Tyler, I think you can worry now.