to be fair to the plextors they are a very good burner if you are not trying to do a one to one burn of a safedisc protected game!!i currently am running two plextors in my machine and they excellent burners.you could burn psx games at max speed on a plextor and they would work(if that was your gig of course)they are supported by all the top software as well but for one to one copies they just don't cut it.i find easier to wait for a crack and then burn safes buggering about with the oh so tediously slow clone cd.but hey each to their own