ps2 backups

[raptor1015]

Ive been reading an reading...ok now if your cd reader doesn't support raw doa then your basically screwed making direct backups is this accurate? clone cd doesn't work right I get aspi errors for openers...now I can use practiclly any other prog without any probs. primodvd. nero 5, cdrwin5.....is there any other way thats somewhat basic that i could tackle this.without the patch thing & my first born & what ever else...man the xbox is real simple - DL rars extract to one iso and burn - DONE...I'm using a pioneer dvd104 as my burner...would someone mind giving me a step by step...thx guys
P.S> let me specify I'm refering to cdr & cdrw backups not the dvd-r, those are easy 1:1 copy...