please convince me on ps2 backups

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A newbie on the boards but not new to backing up psx1 games. I have backed up plenty ps1 games but still no luck on ps2. ( I have the neo2 mod-chip installed). After using the search I found a couple of threads saying you can use Clonecd and CdR-win with the default settings applied. No magic happened for me. A friend at work brought Rumble Racing and it work. The big Question how did you do that, he said that he found a private site where they rip and extract the security codes. I know Cdr-win has that option to disect the game but I have no experience in that department. If any can help on either subject making a backup or ripping a game or even an idea helps. Thanx gamers!!!