Vice City/NHL2004

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Yo. I'm trying to create back-ups of these games but am not doing too well. GTA Vice City uses SecuRom 4.84.69.0071 and NHL2004 uses Safedisc v2.9.

I've tried copying using Alcohol120/Alcoholer & CloneCD/ClonyXXL/CloneCD4Profiler without success. I keep gettin read errors,even on 2x read speed.

I've tried copying the disc contents to a temp directory and using the unsecrom and unsafedisc. With unsafedisc i just keep gettin random errors when tryin to dump and unsecurom doesnt work on Windows XP.

Anyone got any ideas? I'm a relative noob so it could well be me I suppose.

I know these are recent protections but there must be a way around them eh. My brain hurts.