Need help with backups on the PSone

TempusMori · #1 06-07-2002, 19:58

I have a problem that has been bothering me for the past week, here it is.

Right now I have four backups for my PSone that has a mod chip in it. The games are Bubble Bobble2, Project Raiden, DragonBallZ GT and another game that I forgot to lable so I do not know that the name is because it is not in english. The problem i have is that DBZ GT and the NoName game work fine, no problem there. BB2 and PR both freeze on the white boot screen. All four games are burned on the same type of CD that came from the same CD pack, all four games are burned with CDRWIN ( I have tried other software as well ) and all the backups work in a PSX emulator. The two games wont even boot with a boot CD while the other two will.

Has anybody had the same problem?

P.S. My burner is an LG CED-8120B firmware ver. 1.02

psx_paul · #2 07-07-2002, 00:08

are they JAP games, if so they might need a patch.

TempusMori · #3 07-07-2002, 00:41

Bubble Bobble2 is not an import and yet it will not work, the other game is a combination of a series of older games and it is in a domestic format. I looked for patches anyway but they do not exist.

A03 · #4 07-07-2002, 01:16

Correct me if i wrong but for PS1 games usually requires patching only when Anti Mod is around it..
Otherwise it could be the media or the technique perhaps..
CD to CD maybe? Best thing is Image to CD-R..Or maybe you're burning them too fast? If you're making copy to a copy..try it under 4X..Try Clone CD making image first and then burn on slower speed..CDRwin is not that good from experience when burning copy of a copy..Clone CD is the Best when you're making Copy to a Copy or perhaps Original to CD-R as well..
Sony CD-R,TDK or Verbatim for results.
Generic works as well silver bottoms ones but results always varies leaving you with 50/50 shot compared to Name Brands of 100%..

TempusMori · #5 07-07-2002, 01:21

All that you have mentioned I tried, and nothing good came of it.

A03 · #6 07-07-2002, 01:33

Hm..What about Roller coaster? Perhaps you're making them since it won't load the games..Since your PSone(Compact) try flipping the machine upside and then try loading the games..
Also are you doing something on the Pc while Burning?
It's Best to leave it alone when burning.
Exactly 3 weeks ago I had a PSone with Stealth 4 mod but after the mod job some games did not load or froze some point of the game..I realized that I could not put all screws/bolts tight on the console when I did nothing loaded. So I loosen the Bolts and then it worked decently..After selling it to my friend he said some games wouldn't load but when he flips upside down it works..
The point is your machine might be screwed too tight and you might need to flip it upside down..Worth the shot.
It worked for me before selling it..

TempusMori · #7 07-07-2002, 01:42

LOL, I actualy read something like that in another forum, flipping the Playstation upside down. I did that too and it did not work.
When I burn the games I do nothing on the computer at all, I kill all and just run burn the CD. And about how the screwes might be on to tight I actualy ran the PSone with out any screwes.

I am going to take the games to work and try to burn them there. The games may just not like my burner.

A03 · #8 07-07-2002, 01:46

That could be it too..Back to Roller coaster again.

TempusMori · #9 07-07-2002, 01:54

Now here is something odd, just for the hell of it I decided to backup my copy of Armored Core. No problems. I put it in the console and it get past the white boot screen. The black boot screen pops up and it is messed up. the PS logo is not there, the large white PlaySation letters are there and in place of the text under that there are two small "x". Now what do you make of that?

TempusMori · #10 07-07-2002, 01:55

Whats this roller coaster thing?

A03 · #11 07-07-2002, 14:06

Roller coasters are anything you burned turned into non working discs..Rollers coasters are usually made through non empty data..
The Drive Reads the Data but it's not real..Basically Blank Data..
Even though it's reading it..It's sort of like when you record a Video the Tape is Blank even though it's getting recorded..
Bad Data period. As for Armored Cord it doesn't seem to be protected..The image you mentioned only pops up if you put in a
PS2 CD format game into a PS1..I remember trying that once..Hm.Strange.

DJB14336 · #12 08-07-2002, 00:59

I know you are using the same media that you have had success with before, but that doesn't mean it will work with all games. Not familiar with the PS1, but been backing up for my PS2 for a while now, and I've noticed a few quirky things--maybe this will help.

SIZE MATTERS (OK, get your mind out of the gutter): The PS2 has trouble at the middle of the CDR, especially bad on 700MB cd's, even worse on nearly silver bottoms. Some games play a video shortly after the system files are loaded. If they fall in this troubled area on questionable media, the game will actually fail early in the boot process because of a prefetch routine. Naturally, a game that consumes less space may never run into this problem--Spongebob snapped off without a hitch because the whole game reached less then 25 minutes into the disc--Gauntlet Legends failed after first frame loaded because it ran over 55 minutes into the disc, and the opening videos are smack dab in the middle of the CD. I discovered my mod chip is not rated to support 80min CDR, so I changed to 650 MB media and it worked like a charm--I didn't even use the original source! I forgot I still had the 700MB CDR in the reader when I ripped it to the new media (my newer DVDROM reads better then my CDRW Drive, so I use that to read). Further proof that it was the media, not the method. Remember --PS CD's were originally produced BEFORE 700MB media went mainstreem--they are pressed on 650MB Discs, which don't have as tight a track specification as 700MB's--it is simply harder on the laser to read the larger format.

QUALITY IS CRUCIAL: Ever had trouble playing CDR in an old CD player? Did it skip like h*ll? Why?--the original cd players had weak lasers--so do the PS(X) boxes. PS CD's are very thin, and the laser moves in real close to read it. On CDR's it backs off. CDR's are typically much thicker. If you look at a diagram of how it is constructed, you will see why. On top of this, it has to cut through a different colored dye. PS cd's are actually Purple, PS2's are Dark Blue. Red laser light passes through these colors easier because they have no yellow dye in there. Many CDR's have a bit of yellow in there, so it reduces reflectivity a bit. Then, you reach the reflective lair it self. A Pressed CD is Metallic with actual pits and lands. A CDR is a metallic layer covered with a layer of colored spots. Get the picture? The Dye is designed to BLOCK reflection when it is concentrated in one spot--naturally it will offer some resistance even when it isn't clumped up. Thus it is VERY important you check the reflectivity THROUGH THE DYE.
When comparing two different brands of similar color, you want to see a BRIGHTER RAINBOW EFFECT when you move the CD, and LESS REFLECTION OF YOU when you are looking directly at the bottom. Perhaps the surest way to determine if it is good quality is to hold it up towards a lamp--standard overhead fixture with 60Watt bulb does nicely. Looking through the disc from the bottom, you want to see only a faint image--or no distinguishable image at all. If you can easily make out the lamp (like looking at it through a heavily tinted window, and I mean the whole thing, not just the light bulb portion of it)--steer clear of it for the PS or PS2. These CD's are often made with a cheaper, thinner layer of Mylar--which is prone to allow certain bandwiths of light pass through. It also has a tendency to polarize light as well--not good for a disc spinning at a couple thousand RPM's and being read from a slight angle by a weak laser.

Bearing these quirky things in mind, I would ask around some friends and see if you can swap them for a 650MB 16 or 24X rated media, or at least an Audio CDR, and try it. If it works, you found your culprit. I've started having great success with some 650 MB Maxell 24X CDR's I borrowed from my brother. Goldish to silver on the bottom, but very dense reflective layer. Used them up today, and bought some 700MB just like them (24X also) to test them out. So far they are working as well--but I haven't tried FF VII Yet!

Good Luck!

A03 · #13 08-07-2002, 01:53

Hm..That's not a Bad theory actually..However I think it's more like for Ps2 it's DVD rips that's over 625 megs that won't play on the PS2..It has nothing to do with using 700 meg or 650 Meg Blank CDR rather the TOC like you mentioned but media wise just use name Brand nothing else..
I heard about this on the No solder mod Chip for the PS2..
But in this case FFIX is the problem for the PS1..

A03 · #14 08-07-2002, 01:56

Shoot. I meant Bubble Bobble and Project Raiden..
Try it and see what happens..Worth the shot..What DJB14336 said..Never know..

spooky · #15 15-07-2002, 15:02

DJB14336 and A03 have given some good advice.....

I remember from years of experience that if you are using an LG burner then you may find you get much better results from using TDK media...