I think B uyers need more Rights

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Poll I am wishing to send a petition to make manufactures produce these NO-CD/DVD options.. Help out to secure the life of our software..



I want to post this in the act to Make it more available to the customer to have NO-CD and NO-DVD policies. I would like to see manufacturers allow Registered users the Ease to get certified Cracks to allow them to play the PC Games without the CD-ROM instead of these Cracks that are often times done by partans that posibly shouldn't be.

Basically the buyer should have these Cracks maybe sent to them for there specific version of any game they have purchased and can prove somehow, and only available upon registered copies.


What you think Should the customer be able to do this, I need your help. Do

you think that this is Resonable and the responcibility of the manufacturer,

or do you like it the way it is now

[!HaGaR!]

Well, what do you think how fast this "specific" nocd/dvd will make their way to the p2p networks?

In my opinion it´s the damn good right of the companies to protect their products. Well, sure, I am interested in playing backups as well because to keep my originals safe, but your above mentioned idea will explode the amount of pirated warez.

Have a look at this forum - warezkiddies are all around. Massive bans the last few days because of key requests, trouble with pirated warez and so on.

Maybe a bit paranoid... Bought a new car last week. Phoned the dealer right after the car has been delivered. I asked him, where the other car is.
He answered: "The other car?". "Well, yes...I can´t use the first one, because I want it to stay safe in my garage..."

Hm, admins, better close this thread. Could end up in flame war...

!HaGaR!

[Big Country]

That just makes no sence at all. Why would they make a game require the CD/DVD if they are just supposed to send you a no-CD/DVD crack???? The whole purpose of requiring the original CD/DVD to play the game is to keep people from making copies and giving them to friends.

They would be out of business in a week.

[Grumpy]

Yes it does sound a bit silly!
@Hagar
I do like the car example tho.

[X-Ploit]

you petition would double warez as one person would just put his crack out and everyone would have it.... it dosnt really bother me what protection people have as it will be cracked sooner or later... so it dont really matter.... but you can understand why people are trying to copy right there games... ill admit i have cracked games... but... i only have them for a short amount of tiem... if there good i buy them and play them if they are **** i finnish them and delete them.... i know its bad but meh... i have payed for enough games to have a cracked one every now and then.....

[Joe Forster/STA]

Okay, so may I add my idea, too?

As far as I remember, there was a little program for Tagés-protected titles that injected the Tagés data into a plain CD image that anyone could create from an original CD with an ordinary CD imager software.

Now, how about the following?
- Buy the game.
- Register the game at the manufacturer. You get a URL from which you can download a small software dedicated to your game CD.
- Create an image of the CD with Nero, Alcohol 120%, CloneCD, CDRWin, whatever.
- Run that small software that injects the encrypted CD identification into the image you.
- Mount or burn the image with Nero, Alcohol 120%, CloneCD, CDRWin, Daemon Tools, whatever.

There you have another copy of your game that is, by definition, another original CD that is dedicated to you! Some more ideas:
- Want another backup copy? Burn the image again.
- Don't want to fiddle with a physical media? Mount the image, don't burn it.
- Wanna crack the protection? The CD identification is encrypted so good luck!
- Wanna distribute your backup copy? No problemo, but you'll get a nice kick in your @ss from the game manufacturer/publisher, as, based on the CD identification and your registration, the image contents can be traced back to you.

Joe

[!HaGaR!]

@Grumpy - Maybe I should have asked the dealer to build me my own NoCarKey-Patch - In order to get the "copy" of my car somewhere in the s2s-networks (street-2-street ;-D)...

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi DABhand,

I must've been hard to understand because I was writing exactly about this small injector software carrying a serial of your (first) original CD. if you spread the injector or the injected CD image, well, the game publisher will trace it back to you.

As for problems with burning that image, the creator of the copy protection could make a recommendation on what burning software, CD/DVD drive and CD/DVD media should be used. (Perhaps, create a small burner software that knows CDRWin's BIN+CUE, CloneCD's BIN+CUE+CCD and Alcohol's MDS+MDF formats. Dunno what to do about DVD's, though, as there's no low-level format for them, only good old ISO, right?)

Joe

[DABhand]

It was reply to someone before you, I seen you had the same idea.

[xunda]

guys, my english sucks so i'm going straight to the point...

the best thing they have to do is to send 2 games inside the box...

1 game is the original and the other is the backup game...

now, serious...enough of this...they will always try to end the piracy, and piracy will never end...

ps: i don't post often because of my poor writing in english

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi ez0469,

I think you haven't read my explanation carefully enough. I wasn't talking about reinstalling or not reinstalling the operating system, I was talking about the already installed or reinstalled game not working on your new PC, after you've changed some major component in it.

While the game is still new, you will be able to get another activation key for it. When the game becomes obsolete, no one will help you anymore! Go, try running a game from the early 1990's on your current PC. (One thing I do every Christmas: play a few tens of third-party levels with Wolfenstein 3-D, from 1992... ) I assure you, you will have major problems, even if the game is already cracked. (So, you may want to run it in DOSBox or a similar virtual machine emulator instead...) Now add your activation-style copy protection to it. The result, as I said: you will need a crack for it...!

Please, don't say that this is not a major pain in the @ss. It is! I'm collecting old PC games, starting from the late 1980's, sometimes fixing them manually myself, so I have quite some experience with them...

Joe